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Alpha	Jun 4 2011, 12:22 PM Post #61
Craig Brewster Posts: 398 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: October 3, 2010	Setenza Jun 3 2011, 01:49 PM Alpha Jun 3 2011, 09:03 AM I have not read all the posts previous in detail. But I was interested to see on TV last week that our illustrious leaders touted the new air passenger tax as a "Green" policy to reduce air long haul air travel. Have now done a complete U turn and admitted it was just a way of them raising money. I have to question how many flights not be done as a result of the tax anyway, even if it is the aim. Can stop people who can't afford it flying if they want, but I don't think that it'd be prohibatively expensice. Just annoyingly more expensive that people would accept, like fuel duty. Well the program I saw did not mention how many flights were not taken or taken, it did point out that the way they calculate it is not on the miles of the actual flight but on the distance from London to the Capital city of the country you are flying too which creates some strange situations. Fly to LA and the tax is calculated on the distance from London to Washington DC.



Setenza	Jun 4 2011, 10:43 PM Post #62
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	whatsthatonyourback Jun 2 2011, 11:15 AM Eggs - to save Setenza's typing finger from more work, could I suggest you google Bjorn Lomborg. He's a pretty reasoned voice for prioritising what should or should not be done with regards to global warming. Dusting off my old copy of his book... it's got the lower end cost of cutting CO2 in line to Kyoto down for $75 billion per year I think. I have to wonder how much of an effect that money would have on other important things.



findus	Jun 5 2011, 05:51 AM Post #63
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	The Eggman Jun 2 2011, 08:16 PM findus Jun 2 2011, 04:59 PM Mother Nature has been fcking us all of from the beginning of time, and will continue to do so until the end of time. Your relatively rich sheltered first-world life in a relatively extremely safe location environmentally has given you the perspective that comfort is the way shit should be. Sorry, but that's not the way things are or almost everywhere in the world, nor have they been since the beginning of time. Go and live in the Philippines for typhoon season, or India during the monsoon, Australia during extreme dry spells, Japan any time of the year, etc etc etc.... - people get the fcuk on with things despite the regular environmental dangers. Can you get away from the Mother Nature thing; it's silly. Some people don't get the fck on with things despite regular environmental dangers - because they die. You seem unable to grasp the simple argument: Do nothing, and continue living the way we've been living for the past 100 years (ie exploiting the planet as much without putting anything back), and have millions of people (more than would otherwise be the case) displaced and/or dead. Or do something (there are a variety of options) and lessen the impact (hence saving many lives). That isn't to say that environment catastrophes won't still happen. They will. But there will be less of them. Like introducing video evidence into football - it won't be able to definitively prove each incident, and it's not perfect, but it will improve the amount of right calls, even though there will still be some wrong calls. I have a different perspective on this from you, Findus. You only seem to care about the 'bigger picture', and that 'life will go on', whereas I care about the millions of people who will suffer because of it. If humanity can lessen the effects of natural disasters (chronic or immediate), then why shouldn't it? Rather than sit on our fat, 'rich sheltered first world' (yes, that does include you, Findus. Don't kid me on that you live in some kind of Far East ghetto) arses, avoiding any guilt because 'shit happens anyway'. It's an abrogation of self-responsibility, and it's a selfish, delusional perspective. Far from selfish or delusional, dear Eggs, closer to the opposite. You can break down those walls of misconception and ignorance any time you like by getting out, experiencing first-hand the world, its people, their situations, their perspectives and their approaches. Meanwhile, can you explain what's 'silly' about 'the Mother Nature thing', and what the 'thing' part is? Edited by findus, Jun 5 2011, 05:55 AM.



The Eggman	Jun 5 2011, 12:16 PM Post #64
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	findus Jun 5 2011, 05:51 AM Far from selfish or delusional, dear Eggs, closer to the opposite. You can break down those walls of misconception and ignorance any time you like by getting out, experiencing first-hand the world, its people, their situations, their perspectives and their approaches. Meanwhile, can you explain what's 'silly' about 'the Mother Nature thing', and what the 'thing' part is? How is it the opposite? You seem to suggest that humanity shouldn't take steps to reduce the level of climate change, which will inevitably result in more deaths and more poverty. How is that caring for those who will be poorer and those that will die? Walls of misconception and ignorance etc? Jesus, listen to yourself. You're offering fck all in the way of anything tangible of a retort. Furthermore, your implication is not only wrong and conceited, but irrelevant. You as an individual can travel to a hundred places and see how environmental changes impact on them, and you won't have any more entitlement to say what should or shouldn't be done in terms of climate change control. What's silly is the term Mother Nature, and your attitude of personalising the matter. 'Mother Nature' love us, or 'Mother Nature' hates us, or 'Mother Nature' fcks us.



Setenza	Jun 19 2012, 07:31 PM Post #65
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	Another year, another deal. Quote: The text calls for "urgent action" on unsustainable production and consumption, but it gives no detail, or a timetable, on how this can be achieved, and no clear direction as to how the world economy can be put on a greener path. Mmm... A time of widesread economic troubles isn't likely to be the best for committing to lot of spending. Obama, Cameron and Merkel not even bothering to show up. I presume we're still doomed?



TheDean	Jun 26 2012, 08:10 PM Post #66
ALLEGEDLY CALICO Posts: 2,117 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: September 18, 2011	Absolutely. I mean in relative terms of the overall life of this planet, mankind's existence is the thickness of a sheet of newspaper against its height. In about 1 bn years or so the sun will have effectively boiled away the seas and started to peel away the atmosphere. Only insect life if anything will remain- and no doubt they'll be very grateful for what Al Gore had thought up as they wait around another 5 bn years before the Red Giant says hello and cheerio.



Skeletor	Jun 26 2012, 09:09 PM Post #67
Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe Posts: 2,157 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: September 10, 2010	TheDean Jun 26 2012, 08:10 PM Absolutely. I mean in relative terms of the overall life of this planet, mankind's existence is the thickness of a sheet of newspaper against its height. In about 1 bn years or so the sun will have effectively boiled away the seas and started to peel away the atmosphere. Only insect life if anything will remain- and no doubt they'll be very grateful for what Al Gore had thought up as they wait around another 5 bn years before the Red Giant says hello and cheerio. That may be true, but mankind's greatest task is survival so I'd suggest that we'd best preserve our conditions on this planet for as long as we can until we figure out how to survive elsewhere.



zico	Jul 8 2012, 08:45 PM Post #68
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,127 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: December 26, 2011	Setenza Dec 29 2010, 11:01 AM The Eggman,Dec 29 2010 08:45 AM We're all responsible. Even those with no carbon foot print and who are super eco? There's 2 things that's never felt right with me. First, that we need to prepare to deal with climate changes whether we are responsible or not, as it might happen anyway. Second, how do you do that without turning into a mad dictator police state that would be a whole lot worse than anything climate change could do. Forgive me but are we responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs? The iceages? Nope. Climate change happens deal with it



whatsthatonyourback	Jul 9 2012, 07:19 AM Post #69
Waldo Jeffers Posts: 4,443 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: September 10, 2010	zico Jul 8 2012, 08:45 PM Setenza Dec 29 2010, 11:01 AM The Eggman,Dec 29 2010 08:45 AM We're all responsible. Even those with no carbon foot print and who are super eco? There's 2 things that's never felt right with me. First, that we need to prepare to deal with climate changes whether we are responsible or not, as it might happen anyway. Second, how do you do that without turning into a mad dictator police state that would be a whole lot worse than anything climate change could do. Forgive me but are we responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs? The iceages? Nope. Climate change happens deal with it The science is very clear rthat we are responsible for the current warming. Dinosaurs, poor sods, were too lazy to influence their environment or build enough meteor fallout shelters big enough to sustain them for several millennia. We are able to influence how things pan out. Set's second point is correct - it comes down to a choice of how we balance mitigation of climate change (carbon emission reduction and efforts to prevent temperature rises, essentially) and adaptation (mass migration from newly uninhabitable lands, building of sea walls, influencing weather patterns). It doesn't have to be an either/or choice, and it seems likely we are already too far down the road of climate change to rely purely on mitigation activities. The third choice we have is to do nothing until we are forced into it by whatever changes occur, which runs the risk of desperate attempts to make it less worse and probably preserving those who are the wealthiest or who happen to live on land that is not too adversely affected by events. Whether you believe in climate change or not, the UK specifically and the world generally is going to have a problem with the reducing availibility of fossil fuels and their attendant increasing expense. We already consume more energy than we generate and that is going to get much worse quite soon with various power stations due to close with few ready to replace them, meaning we need to import energy from somewhere and can't look after our own energy needs. There's going to be a problem, we know there's going to be a problem. It will directly affect everyone on a personal level, whether through higher transport bills, increased taxation, power rationing or power cuts. What we do about it is still mostly up for grabs.



Setenza	Jul 9 2012, 09:45 AM Post #70
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	whatsthatonyourback Jul 9 2012, 07:19 AM The science is very clear rthat we are responsible for the current warming. Last I checked, while it was said that we are responsible for contributing to the warming, there wasn't clarity if 100% of warming is due to us. But anyway, the political will to do anyting is dead. Green's no longer as fashionable, they largely don't care about the planet while the economy is struggling and there's bankers to shout at. Not sure that the wider public cares much either. So, option 3 it is.



whatsthatonyourback	Jul 9 2012, 11:53 AM Post #71
Waldo Jeffers Posts: 4,443 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: September 10, 2010	Setenza Jul 9 2012, 09:45 AM whatsthatonyourback Jul 9 2012, 07:19 AM The science is very clear rthat we are responsible for the current warming. Last I checked, while it was said that we are responsible for contributing to the warming, there wasn't clarity if 100% of warming is due to us. But anyway, the political will to do anyting is dead. Green's no longer as fashionable, they largely don't care about the planet while the economy is struggling and there's bankers to shout at. Not sure that the wider public cares much either. So, option 3 it is. There's a distinct similarity in your response on this as there was initially on the Rangers fiasco - that there is nothing that can be done, even if there is something that should be done. If nobody tries to make things better it will never happen. It's easy to say "it'll never happen" and then say I told you so when everything has turned to shit, but it must be a pretty hollow kind of vindication one feels. Without getting too 99%, we've never had such a pathetic demonstration of how leaving everything up to those at the top, assuming they know what they're doing and that they're thinking more than one bonus/election cycle ahead entirely overestimates the competence of those leaders. Everybody is really just muddling through and are surprisingly influenced by small numbers of well-positioned lobbyists. It might not be ideal, but it's how things work and can be used to move things in a better direction. If you really don't give a shit, I guess that is up to you, but pretending there's nothing anyone can do is just a lie.



Setenza	Jul 9 2012, 12:50 PM Post #72
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	whatsthatonyourback Jul 9 2012, 11:53 AM There's a distinct similarity in your response on this as there was initially on the Rangers fiasco - that there is nothing that can be done, even if there is something that should be done. If nobody tries to make things better it will never happen. It's easy to say "it'll never happen" and then say I told you so when everything has turned to shit, but it must be a pretty hollow kind of vindication one feels. Without getting too 99%, we've never had such a pathetic demonstration of how leaving everything up to those at the top, assuming they know what they're doing and that they're thinking more than one bonus/election cycle ahead entirely overestimates the competence of those leaders. Everybody is really just muddling through and are surprisingly influenced by small numbers of well-positioned lobbyists. It might not be ideal, but it's how things work and can be used to move things in a better direction. If you really don't give a shit, I guess that is up to you, but pretending there's nothing anyone can do is just a lie. I can't see the similarity. I think in this thread, I've been suggesting that something to be done, but in a more practical sense than just saying that it should. How we the changes going to be made? I can't see any political will or public demands for it. So, in that regard, I can't see anything happening, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't, just needs more thought, and more nuclear power stations.



Skeletor	Jul 9 2012, 01:51 PM Post #73
Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe Posts: 2,157 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: September 10, 2010	Setenza Jul 9 2012, 12:50 PM needs more thought, and more nuclear power stations. Absolutely not.



zico	Jul 9 2012, 03:08 PM Post #74
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,127 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: December 26, 2011	Perfectly safe form of energy, plentiful and mostly climate neutral. Just need a processing station for spent fuel rods, ibrox is empty..



Skeletor	Jul 10 2012, 01:10 AM Post #75
Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe Posts: 2,157 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: September 10, 2010	zico Jul 9 2012, 03:08 PM Perfectly safe form of energy, plentiful and mostly climate neutral. Just need a processing station for spent fuel rods, ibrox is empty.. Perfectly safe. Unless there are any of those natural disaster thingies happening at all - there aren't, are there?

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