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Tweet Topic Started: Dec 28 2010, 12:23 AM (4,996 Views)
Cobardon	Dec 30 2010, 04:05 AM Post #16
Uncle Smurf Posts: 1,768 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: September 12, 2010	Setenza Dec 28 2010, 12:23 AM Seems like as bad a time as ever to look at global warming / climate change . We had the completely ignored Cancun climte deal, which seems to do the same as previous deals - which seems like as little as possible. I've ignored the issue for a while now since it seems to be more of a politcal issue than anything else. Are we still doomed? Well, its usually spun by our media as being a political issue but the science is in and has long been agreed upon: climate change (with a man made component) is a reality, and the pace of it is the problem. Ignore the coastal changes if the like and say they don't matter to you, but we're still left with major problems of population distribution as some (often very densely populated) areas become uninhabitable and those huge populations will need to move to other more temperate areas. That's without worrying about dwindling traditional resources (peak oil, most obviously, but also fish stocks, for example) increasing world population and loss of biodiversity (important for many reasons such as medical or ecological). By all means ignore it saying that you can't do anything to halt it: of course you can't on your own but then you can decide not to add to the problem any more than is reasonably possible. Just because you can't stop X Factor isn't an excuse to buy a ticket to the tour is it? So, if you can cut back on consumption, do it. If you can recycle do it. If you can drive a greener car do it. If everyone made little changes it would amount to a big change: it might not make a damned difference overall, but it just might. Isn't that a good enough reason?



Setenza	Dec 30 2010, 09:36 AM Post #17
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	Cobardon Dec 30 2010, 04:05 AM Setenza Dec 28 2010, 12:23 AM Seems like as bad a time as ever to look at global warming / climate change . We had the completely ignored Cancun climte deal, which seems to do the same as previous deals - which seems like as little as possible. I've ignored the issue for a while now since it seems to be more of a politcal issue than anything else. Are we still doomed? Well, its usually spun by our media as being a political issue but the science is in and has long been agreed upon: climate change (with a man made component) is a reality, and the pace of it is the problem. Ignore the coastal changes if the like and say they don't matter to you, but we're still left with major problems of population distribution as some (often very densely populated) areas become uninhabitable and those huge populations will need to move to other more temperate areas. That's without worrying about dwindling traditional resources (peak oil, most obviously, but also fish stocks, for example) increasing world population and loss of biodiversity (important for many reasons such as medical or ecological). By all means ignore it saying that you can't do anything to halt it: of course you can't on your own but then you can decide not to add to the problem any more than is reasonably possible. Just because you can't stop X Factor isn't an excuse to buy a ticket to the tour is it? So, if you can cut back on consumption, do it. If you can recycle do it. If you can drive a greener car do it. If everyone made little changes it would amount to a big change: it might not make a damned difference overall, but it just might. Isn't that a good enough reason? Compared to most, and excusing the odd long haul flight or two, I'm actually pretty green compared to most, although not with any real intention. And it'd be nice if everyone was even greener undoubtedly. I don't think that's the problem. The problems of costal areas and population displacement etc might well be an issue regardless, so we need to tackle them. I don't want to ignore, them. It's the opposite. Rather than everyone making changes that might make a difference, it would seem more sensible to be to make changes that will make a difference. That's not cutting CO2 and hoping that it has an effect. So, it changes need to happen, I'd rather it was focussed on the problems that might not be quite as unnapealing to me and the measures that would be required to force everyone to cut CO2 .



Alpha	Dec 30 2010, 03:34 PM Post #18
Craig Brewster Posts: 398 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: October 3, 2010	I am not the greenest person around, but two things that really stick in my craw. 1) Having to waste petrol to take stuff to the recycling point, when houses less than half a mile away have kerbside recycling. 2) The throw away nature of consumer electronics, spare parts are priced on purpose to be so expensive it is not worth repairing. Granted some parts are relatively expensive to make, Plasma Display Panels for example, last time I looked about year ago 60" Plasma TV was £1900, the cost of the just the screen as a spare part was £1900, so either they are selling the TV at a loss or sticking the price of the spares so high that you just would be a nutter to even consider getting it fixed. Or a £200 computer monitor where the power supply board is £150.



Setenza	May 30 2011, 09:03 PM Post #19
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	New Record! Umm....



findus	May 30 2011, 10:00 PM Post #20
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	Setenza May 30 2011, 09:03 PM New Record! Umm.... It's fine, mother earth will deal with us in her own way



The Eggman	May 31 2011, 10:44 AM Post #21
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	findus May 30 2011, 10:00 PM It's fine, mother earth will deal with us in her own way Do you approve of chemotheraphy/radiotherapy, Findus?



findus	May 31 2011, 10:57 AM Post #22
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	The Eggman May 31 2011, 10:44 AM findus May 30 2011, 10:00 PM It's fine, mother earth will deal with us in her own way Do you approve of chemotheraphy/radiotherapy, Findus? I wasn't aware it was something to approve or disapprove of, The Eggman.



The Eggman	May 31 2011, 02:28 PM Post #23
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	findus May 31 2011, 10:57 AM The Eggman May 31 2011, 10:44 AM findus May 30 2011, 10:00 PM It's fine, mother earth will deal with us in her own way Do you approve of chemotheraphy/radiotherapy, Findus? I wasn't aware it was something to approve or disapprove of, The Eggman. Jehovah's witnesses disapprove of it, don't they? Maybe you should too. Just let mother nature deal with it (cancer) in her own way.



findus	Jun 1 2011, 07:01 AM Post #24
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	The Eggman May 31 2011, 02:28 PM findus May 31 2011, 10:57 AM The Eggman May 31 2011, 10:44 AM findus May 30 2011, 10:00 PM It's fine, mother earth will deal with us in her own way Do you approve of chemotheraphy/radiotherapy, Findus? I wasn't aware it was something to approve or disapprove of, The Eggman. Jehovah's witnesses disapprove of it, don't they? Maybe you should too. Just let mother nature deal with it (cancer) in her own way. Oh, I seeeee. No, I don't disapprove of those, neither do I approve of them. I'm rather neutral on the matter, same goes for us wiping ourselves out via climate change. Not that I think that's going to happen.



reekie	Jun 1 2011, 07:34 AM Post #25
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	Aw, yer dancing round that a bit, Findus. (but to be fair, it is a specious argument, Eggs). Although I'm with you to an extent, Findus, that we will indeed be dealt with and ultimately the planet will be fine, it's a bit selfish saying that from the comfort of a first-world perspective. The change in climate will ravage certain parts of the world (some of the poorest, most populous bits too), so it only seems fair, in a humanitarian sense, to try to help alleviate this.



findus	Jun 1 2011, 07:57 AM Post #26
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	reekie Jun 1 2011, 07:34 AM Aw, yer dancing round that a bit, Findus. (but to be fair, it is a specious argument, Eggs). Although I'm with you to an extent, Findus, that we will indeed be dealt with and ultimately the planet will be fine, it's a bit selfish saying that from the comfort of a first-world perspective. The change in climate will ravage certain parts of the world (some of the poorest, most populous bits too), so it only seems fair, in a humanitarian sense, to try to help alleviate this. I am? I don't live in the first world, I live in a Chinese flat-as-a-pancake coastal metropolis that will disappear if sea-levels rise. If it happens, almost everyone will have abandoned the city long before D-day. I'd imagine it will be the same story throughout the world should sea-levels rise - plenty of warning, plenty of time (years) to relocate. Maybe we'll finally look after our environment properly, should this happen. Droughts, desertification, poisoning from pollution, war, and lack of drinking water resources are of far bigger concern to the human race as our population grows, in my opinion, yet get little exposure news-wise (except wars).



Setenza	Jun 1 2011, 08:40 AM Post #27
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	findus Jun 1 2011, 07:57 AM reekie Jun 1 2011, 07:34 AM Aw, yer dancing round that a bit, Findus. (but to be fair, it is a specious argument, Eggs). Although I'm with you to an extent, Findus, that we will indeed be dealt with and ultimately the planet will be fine, it's a bit selfish saying that from the comfort of a first-world perspective. The change in climate will ravage certain parts of the world (some of the poorest, most populous bits too), so it only seems fair, in a humanitarian sense, to try to help alleviate this. I am? I don't live in the first world, I live in a Chinese flat-as-a-pancake coastal metropolis that will disappear if sea-levels rise. If it happens, almost everyone will have abandoned the city long before D-day. I'd imagine it will be the same story throughout the world should sea-levels rise - plenty of warning, plenty of time (years) to relocate. Maybe we'll finally look after our environment properly, should this happen. Droughts, desertification, poisoning from pollution, war, and lack of drinking water resources are of far bigger concern to the human race as our population grows, in my opinion, yet get little exposure news-wise (except wars). By the time it comes, China will be super rich and powerful, so will be able to afford some kind of great forcefield of china too to protect you all.



The Eggman	Jun 1 2011, 08:52 AM Post #28
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	reekie Jun 1 2011, 07:34 AM Aw, yer dancing round that a bit, Findus. (but to be fair, it is a specious argument, Eggs). No it's not. It's not an argument at all. I'm trying to understand to what extent Findus wants the 'natural' order to have its way. So climate change isn't an issue because che sera sera, Mother Earth (that is, nature) will do as it will. If nature should be given carte blanche to do as it will, does that also include natural diseases?



The Eggman	Jun 1 2011, 08:55 AM Post #29
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	findus Jun 1 2011, 07:57 AM I live in a Chinese flat-as-a-pancake coastal metropolis that will disappear if sea-levels rise. If it happens, almost everyone will have abandoned the city long before D-day. I'd imagine it will be the same story throughout the world should sea-levels rise - plenty of warning, plenty of time (years) to relocate. This is happening now - only in temporary sea level rises (floods), and not permanent drastic coastal changes. People already are suffering due to climate change. Not just in terms of immediate natural disasters, but in terms of food shortages and the economic (and subsequent social) consequences.



findus	Jun 1 2011, 09:01 AM Post #30
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	The Eggman Jun 1 2011, 08:52 AM reekie Jun 1 2011, 07:34 AM Aw, yer dancing round that a bit, Findus. (but to be fair, it is a specious argument, Eggs). No it's not. It's not an argument at all. I'm trying to understand to what extent Findus wants the 'natural' order to have its way. So climate change isn't an issue because che sera sera, Mother Earth (that is, nature) will do as it will. If nature should be given carte blanche to do as it will, does that also include natural diseases? If we are damaging the environment as much as we think we are, then from the perspective of Mother Earth the human race is Mother Earth's natural disease. Mother Earth deals with its diseases the way we deal with our diseases. Does that answer your question?


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