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Celtic 9 (nine) - 0 Aberdeen
Topic Started: Nov 6 2010, 04:51 PM (2,964 Views)
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Nov 10 2010, 04:48 PM
I think it was Field marshall Haig that was the big driving force behind the poppy appeal and british legion. In scotland it isn't actually the british legion that run the poppy appeal but a charity called the haig fund.


I don't see any problem with it. It was brought about after the first world war a war not fought by good against evil or any such notions although the various parties did try to portray it like that in their propaganda. A lot of the men that fought were volunteers, the majority never having been more than 20 miles form their home town in their lives before the war they got caught up in all the propaganda and the sense of an adventure. After the volunteers dried up there was the white feathers for people who didn't volunteer and conscription came in with jail for concientous objectors.



The Celtic fans who are against it should really research a bit of History about Ireland before the partition, like Willie Redmond and the Irish volunteers who fought and died in France because they believed it would bring about home rule for Ireland after the war. Maybe we should have a green poppy for Celtic to wear.

In that case I kinda like the symbolism of the white poppy. Hi-jacking the military poppy and spinning it into a symbolism of peace appeals to me. It is rememberance with an added reminder of the moral behind the story.

I fully agree that a lot of the crowd who flew that banner are just the same type of ignorant scum that promote bigotry on the other side. There have been times, during various pockets of sanity in Ireland's history, where Catholics and Protestants lived among each other happily. Then when things turned again, times where the country was divided into various loyalties, pitting a force of both Catholics and Protestants against a common enemy. The world is full of c*nts fighting, that was the norm for so many generations before us.
The green and blue bigots are far more alike in their mindless malice than their tiny minds will ever be able to comprehend.
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Nov 11 2010, 01:41 AM
I fully agree that a lot of the crowd who flew that banner are just the same type of ignorant scum that promote bigotry on the other side. There have been times, during various pockets of sanity in Ireland's history, where Catholics and Protestants lived among each other happily. Then when things turned again, times where the country was divided into various loyalties, pitting a force of both Catholics and Protestants against a common enemy. The world is full of c*nts fighting, that was the norm for so many generations before us.
The green and blue bigots are far more alike in their mindless malice than their tiny minds will ever be able to comprehend.

I can both agree and disagree with that. The Irish lived happily as Catholic majority and Protestant minority until invaded by the British who stole Catholic land and gave it to Protestant planters as part of our worldwide colonial strategy. Acknowledging that crime does not make you mindless or a bigot. Still fighting those wars after hundreds of years isn't a great idea though.

The ancestors of many Norn Iron proddies may have arrived in these dubious circumstances, but they've been there many generations now and I don't think you can rightly claim they don't belong. Can't they just, you know, get along? Come on, group hug.

Not sure I was completely on-topic there, even for the off-topic topic.
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Nov 11 2010, 09:30 AM
Not sure I was completely on-topic there, even for the off-topic topic.

And you're not even in the Allotment - this is The George Fox Roar.

Mods, prime your banning muskets. Digression.
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Nov 10 2010, 12:03 PM
Conan the Destroyer
Nov 10 2010, 11:25 AM
Still on this game, was I the only one that saw the anti-poppy banner and thought 'good for you'?

Seems I must be in league with the devil for daring to question the glorification of the pointless deaths of millions of young men.

I've taken that very line over on EFF and received a good old roasting for it.

I thought you got off quite lightly considering the number of trumpets on there.

Try posting the same in the Banter or Eddie boards!
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Nov 10 2010, 02:28 PM
What about the minute of silence tomorrow at 11? Poppy or not, do you observe that?

I tend not to. I don't really know what to think about, doesn't seem to work for some reason.
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I just observed it. Combined it with a jobby, mind, but the quiet contemplation of the dead was the same.
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whatsthatonyourback
Nov 11 2010, 11:03 AM
I just observed it. Combined it with a jobby, mind, but the quiet contemplation of the dead was the same.

The person in control of the fire alarm to signal the start of the two minutes seemed to not understand the concept of silence, so for most of the two minutes there were repeated inconsistent blurts of said alarm.
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Nov 11 2010, 11:03 AM
I just observed it. Combined it with a jobby, mind, but the quiet contemplation of the dead was the same.

I was sitting with my headphones on listening to Neil Young, which I continued to do. No jobbies, but no verbals neither. The Dutch guy in our office continued his very loud phone call in his usual very loud Dutch voice. I could hardly hear Shakey.
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I forgot all about it actually. Mind you, I was playing Fallout 2 at the time, so it's quite apt really.

War: war never changes.

I make a point of thinking of the pointless deaths of untold millions on a regular basis, mind you, not just on command for two minutes from every 1/2 million.
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The big thing about november 11th is the war that ended on that day. A group of christian apparently civilized nations went to war over nothing dragging the rest of the world into it. The reasons for the war were basically economic and the leaders ( mainly all cousins) believed that like every european war before the war would be over after the two opposing armies met in a field lasted a day and one side carried the day like the wars before,

The people in power at the time didn't understand that technology had moved on (american civil war should have been a clue) and in the end this fight over nothing ended up in a war that encompassed the globe lasted 4 years and led to millions of futile deaths.

I do agree that the day has been hijacked to promote the current wars but for me the point of november 11th is to remember the dead and say never again.
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Nov 11 2010, 09:30 AM
Skeletor
Nov 11 2010, 01:41 AM
I fully agree that a lot of the crowd who flew that banner are just the same type of ignorant scum that promote bigotry on the other side. There have been times, during various pockets of sanity in Ireland's history, where Catholics and Protestants lived among each other happily. Then when things turned again, times where the country was divided into various loyalties, pitting a force of both Catholics and Protestants against a common enemy. The world is full of c*nts fighting, that was the norm for so many generations before us.
The green and blue bigots are far more alike in their mindless malice than their tiny minds will ever be able to comprehend.

I can both agree and disagree with that. The Irish lived happily as Catholic majority and Protestant minority until invaded by the British who stole Catholic land and gave it to Protestant planters as part of our worldwide colonial strategy. Acknowledging that crime does not make you mindless or a bigot. Still fighting those wars after hundreds of years isn't a great idea though.

The ancestors of many Norn Iron proddies may have arrived in these dubious circumstances, but they've been there many generations now and I don't think you can rightly claim they don't belong. Can't they just, you know, get along? Come on, group hug.

Not sure I was completely on-topic there, even for the off-topic topic.

Acknowledging the crime is fine, but where you say you disagree must be that they aren't alike in spouting shite secularist mottos based on an inbred version of the truth? To which I, in turn, disagree.
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Skeletor
Nov 11 2010, 11:31 PM
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Nov 11 2010, 09:30 AM
Skeletor
Nov 11 2010, 01:41 AM
I fully agree that a lot of the crowd who flew that banner are just the same type of ignorant scum that promote bigotry on the other side. There have been times, during various pockets of sanity in Ireland's history, where Catholics and Protestants lived among each other happily. Then when things turned again, times where the country was divided into various loyalties, pitting a force of both Catholics and Protestants against a common enemy. The world is full of c*nts fighting, that was the norm for so many generations before us.
The green and blue bigots are far more alike in their mindless malice than their tiny minds will ever be able to comprehend.

I can both agree and disagree with that. The Irish lived happily as Catholic majority and Protestant minority until invaded by the British who stole Catholic land and gave it to Protestant planters as part of our worldwide colonial strategy. Acknowledging that crime does not make you mindless or a bigot. Still fighting those wars after hundreds of years isn't a great idea though.

The ancestors of many Norn Iron proddies may have arrived in these dubious circumstances, but they've been there many generations now and I don't think you can rightly claim they don't belong. Can't they just, you know, get along? Come on, group hug.

Not sure I was completely on-topic there, even for the off-topic topic.

Acknowledging the crime is fine, but where you say you disagree must be that they aren't alike in spouting shite secularist mottos based on an inbred version of the truth? To which I, in turn, disagree.

I'm hoping you've mistaken secularist for sectarian there!

But to your disagreement, personally, I see a difference. One is still bleating on about centuries of being oppressed, the other about centuries of being the oppressor.
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Nov 11 2010, 11:23 PM
The reasons for the war were basically economic and the leaders ( mainly all cousins) believed that like every european war before the war would be over after the two opposing armies met in a field lasted a day and one side carried the day like the wars before,

Nah. A fella called Archie Duke shot an ostrich because he was hungry. That's why it started.
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Nov 12 2010, 08:56 AM
Skeletor
Nov 11 2010, 11:31 PM
Conan the Destroyer
Nov 11 2010, 09:30 AM
Skeletor
Nov 11 2010, 01:41 AM
I fully agree that a lot of the crowd who flew that banner are just the same type of ignorant scum that promote bigotry on the other side. There have been times, during various pockets of sanity in Ireland's history, where Catholics and Protestants lived among each other happily. Then when things turned again, times where the country was divided into various loyalties, pitting a force of both Catholics and Protestants against a common enemy. The world is full of c*nts fighting, that was the norm for so many generations before us.
The green and blue bigots are far more alike in their mindless malice than their tiny minds will ever be able to comprehend.

I can both agree and disagree with that. The Irish lived happily as Catholic majority and Protestant minority until invaded by the British who stole Catholic land and gave it to Protestant planters as part of our worldwide colonial strategy. Acknowledging that crime does not make you mindless or a bigot. Still fighting those wars after hundreds of years isn't a great idea though.

The ancestors of many Norn Iron proddies may have arrived in these dubious circumstances, but they've been there many generations now and I don't think you can rightly claim they don't belong. Can't they just, you know, get along? Come on, group hug.

Not sure I was completely on-topic there, even for the off-topic topic.

Acknowledging the crime is fine, but where you say you disagree must be that they aren't alike in spouting shite secularist mottos based on an inbred version of the truth? To which I, in turn, disagree.

I'm hoping you've mistaken secularist for sectarian there!

But to your disagreement, personally, I see a difference. One is still bleating on about centuries of being oppressed, the other about centuries of being the oppressor.

I don't know what the f*ck I was on there, too many late night posts! And speaking of late night posts....

Yeah ofcourse they're at the opposite ends of the spectrum on the most obvious things, what I was getting at before was the fact that both of their views are based on extreme ignorance. Thats why I say they're more alike than they'll ever be able to fathom
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Nov 13 2010, 01:46 AM
Yeah ofcourse they're at the opposite ends of the spectrum on the most obvious things, what I was getting at before was the fact that both of their views are based on extreme ignorance. Thats why I say they're more alike than they'll ever be able to fathom

I'm not sure ignorance is quite the right word. I think the majority of the worst extremes of Old Firm fan will have a good knowledge of the history of the conflict in Ireland. It's the interpretation and application of that knowledge that make them idiots.

I think I'm just arguing for the sake of it now. The kids got me up at 6 this morning and I'm knackered.
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