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Prisoners voting
Topic Started: Nov 4 2010, 08:25 PM (2,285 Views)
Clarkie
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Setenza
Nov 13 2010, 10:47 PM
gordonthearab
Nov 13 2010, 06:39 PM
Setenza
Nov 13 2010, 06:30 PM
At least they'll be able to keep up on politics on their nice new tvs...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-11747509

It was Slabour that first brought tv's into prisons. The prisoners have to pay for the tv's if you read to the bottom.

I hope they have to pay a TV licence too then...

But anyway:

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Wouldn't it be more energy efficenet to just not have a TV?

When I was attending my first year at uni we all got demands for a TV licence for our individual rooms if you had a tv or not, so I hope so ( as a side note I doubt those detector vans actually work I think they just mail every address that doesn't have a licence ) .

If you can't have one tv licence to cover a uni halls of residence you shouldn't be able to have one to cover a whole prison.

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Specifically, I do not think that teh theieving bastard that stole my TV when he broke into my home should be allowed to watch telly while in prison for stealing a telly unless he had first had his hands severed at the wrist and his TV was jammed on to Strictly Come Dancing
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YazooArab
Nov 14 2010, 03:35 PM
Specifically, I do not think that teh theieving bastard that stole my TV when he broke into my home should be allowed to watch telly while in prison for stealing a telly unless he had first had his hands severed at the wrist and his TV was jammed on to Strictly Come Dancing

So anyone with public urination on their rap sheet shouldn't be allowed to urinate when in prison? Anyone who stole a washing machine should be denied clean clothes. Anyone who stole food or drink denied the same in prison.

Great idea, Yaz. I can tell you take your politics seriously.
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TV is a luxury and not a neccessity unlike hygiene and essential bodily functions. The lovely young man that stole my TV and other more personal items lost his right to the enjoyment of the luxury of TV the night he decided to depreive me of mine. In my opinion of course which is why we elect politicians to make wise and balanced decisions on our behalf. I would advocate shorter sentences with greater deprivation whilst incarcerated. For the underclass that makes up the malority of our prison population it is too cushy and often an improvement on their life of freedom. Luxuries like TV simply cushion the blow and make the stay tolerable. We should be making it less tolerable so they are genuinely put off returning for another we break from reality. :smack:
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YazooArab
Nov 14 2010, 04:42 PM
TV is a luxury and not a neccessity unlike hygiene and essential bodily functions. The lovely young man that stole my TV and other more personal items lost his right to the enjoyment of the luxury of TV the night he decided to depreive me of mine. In my opinion of course which is why we elect politicians to make wise and balanced decisions on our behalf. I would advocate shorter sentences with greater deprivation whilst incarcerated. For the underclass that makes up the malority of our prison population it is too cushy and often an improvement on their life of freedom. Luxuries like TV simply cushion the blow and make the stay tolerable. We should be making it less tolerable so they are genuinely put off returning for another we break from reality. :smack:

Ah, so you're not advocating a weird eye-for-an-eye retributive prison system where the sentence is related to the nature of the crime? OK, but shame - could have been interesting.

Instead, you're recommending making prison life more intolerable but shorter for those prisoners. Do you have any evidence that harsher conditions deter reoffending?
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My suggestion is not evidence based but purely vindictive but not so much so that I would throw the key away. I bet it would work though. :rolleyes:
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whatsthatonyourback
Nov 14 2010, 07:00 PM
YazooArab
Nov 14 2010, 04:42 PM
TV is a luxury and not a neccessity unlike hygiene and essential bodily functions. The lovely young man that stole my TV and other more personal items lost his right to the enjoyment of the luxury of TV the night he decided to depreive me of mine. In my opinion of course which is why we elect politicians to make wise and balanced decisions on our behalf. I would advocate shorter sentences with greater deprivation whilst incarcerated. For the underclass that makes up the malority of our prison population it is too cushy and often an improvement on their life of freedom. Luxuries like TV simply cushion the blow and make the stay tolerable. We should be making it less tolerable so they are genuinely put off returning for another we break from reality.  :smack:

Ah, so you're not advocating a weird eye-for-an-eye retributive prison system where the sentence is related to the nature of the crime? OK, but shame - could have been interesting.

Sounds like that wonderful Saudi justice...

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Flat screen TVs and all the other 'perks' including being allowed to vote! The Tories don't seem to same anymore. :o remember the days when Anne Widdecombe insisted pregnant female convicts in chidbirth should be handcuffed to the bed! Personally I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. "If you commit the crime you do the time" and that includes all the things that go with it like losing the right to vote.
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yasser
Nov 15 2010, 01:27 PM
Flat screen TVs and all the other 'perks' including being allowed to vote! The Tories don't seem to same anymore. :o remember the days when Anne Widdecombe insisted pregnant female convicts in chidbirth should be handcuffed to the bed! Personally I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. "If you commit the crime you do the time" and that includes all the things that go with it like losing the right to vote.

What about the criminals on a community service order. Do you let them vote . Either you stop them all from voting or you should let them all vote.
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po: How about the other way around - only prisoners are allowed to vote, and vote they must.

Would this even change election results much? Is there some identifiable small sub-sample of people that accurately reflect the nation's voting aspirations?
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gordonthearab
Nov 15 2010, 02:10 PM
yasser
Nov 15 2010, 01:27 PM
Flat screen TVs and all the other 'perks' including being allowed to vote! The Tories don't seem to same anymore. :o  remember the days when Anne Widdecombe insisted pregnant female convicts in chidbirth should be handcuffed to the bed! Personally I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. "If you commit the crime you do the time" and that includes all the things that go with it like losing the right to vote.

What about the criminals on a community service order. Do you let them vote . Either you stop them all from voting or you should let them all vote.

Simple, If they are behind bars they lose the right to vote just like they lose their right to liberty and all else that entails. For those who find themselves in that predicament I say again. If you don’t want to do the time don’t do the crime. You knew well enough beforehand that being jailed meant no vote, no sex (or at least not the usual kind :huh: ) no going out on the piss with yer mates at the weekend etc etc.

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yasser
Nov 15 2010, 02:54 PM
gordonthearab
Nov 15 2010, 02:10 PM
yasser
Nov 15 2010, 01:27 PM
Flat screen TVs and all the other 'perks' including being allowed to vote! The Tories don't seem to same anymore. :o  remember the days when Anne Widdecombe insisted pregnant female convicts in chidbirth should be handcuffed to the bed! Personally I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. "If you commit the crime you do the time" and that includes all the things that go with it like losing the right to vote.

What about the criminals on a community service order. Do you let them vote . Either you stop them all from voting or you should let them all vote.

Simple, If they are behind bars they lose the right to vote just like they lose their right to liberty and all else that entails. For those who find themselves in that predicament I say again. If you don’t want to do the time don’t do the crime. You knew well enough beforehand that being jailed meant no vote, no sex (or at least not the usual kind :huh: ) no going out on the piss with yer mates at the weekend etc etc.

Dunno about you, Yas, but I'd be quite able to continue my usual kind of sex behind bars even if I was locked in solitary. Especially if I was locked in solitary. Although I might need to buy a new diary to record it all in.

Anyway...

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whatsthatonyourback
Nov 15 2010, 03:09 PM
yasser
Nov 15 2010, 02:54 PM
gordonthearab
Nov 15 2010, 02:10 PM
yasser
Nov 15 2010, 01:27 PM
Flat screen TVs and all the other 'perks' including being allowed to vote! The Tories don't seem to same anymore. :o  remember the days when Anne Widdecombe insisted pregnant female convicts in chidbirth should be handcuffed to the bed! Personally I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. "If you commit the crime you do the time" and that includes all the things that go with it like losing the right to vote.

What about the criminals on a community service order. Do you let them vote . Either you stop them all from voting or you should let them all vote.

Simple, If they are behind bars they lose the right to vote just like they lose their right to liberty and all else that entails. For those who find themselves in that predicament I say again. If you don’t want to do the time don’t do the crime. You knew well enough beforehand that being jailed meant no vote, no sex (or at least not the usual kind :huh: ) no going out on the piss with yer mates at the weekend etc etc.

Dunno about you, Yas, but I'd be quite able to continue my usual kind of sex behind bars even if I was locked in solitary. Especially if I was locked in solitary. Although I might need to buy a new diary to record it all in.

Anyway...

You've not signed in yet - do so here and you'll be the illustrious 100th poster.

:haha:

Er...not quite. Still, we're into the 30s now, so onwards and upwards and all that...
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...in that thread.
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Nov 15 2010, 02:19 PM
po: How about the other way around - only prisoners are allowed to vote, and vote they must.

If they refuse, do they get let out?


I wonder if MP's would go to prisons to canvas support? (not in this scenario, but in general).
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