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United V The Celtics; Next match - Sun 17th Oct.
Topic Started: Oct 2 2010, 06:06 PM (4,161 Views)
Setenza
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Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:04 PM

Okay, you think the point is that he told lie?

Or that he told a lie which prejudiced someone?

Or that he told a lie which betrayed a deeper conspiracy?
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I think we can all agree that he told a lie but my opinion is that the lie didn't hurt anyone except, ultimately, himself. So, what's the big deal? Is the way that Scottish football reacts when anyone tells a lie, however inconsequential?

It seems to me that people are tying the lie (after the event) in with the honesty of the original event and I can't for the life of imagine what connection they are trying to make (crazy paranoid delusions aside).

He told a lie which could have prejudiced someone in different circumstance. It could have hurt others if for whatever reason, the officials got together and lied about a decisions. It might not have been inconsequential. They've carears to protect.

How about that 3 yellow cards to the same guy. How about the ref saying, and getting his linesman to say something like it was someone else he showed or something that's vaguely plasuable. Better than getting sacked.
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Setenza
Nov 1 2010, 06:10 PM
He told a lie which could have prejudiced someone in different circumstance. It could have hurt others if for whatever reason, the officials got together and lied about a decisions. It might not have been inconsequential. They've carears to protect.

How about that 3 yellow cards to the same guy. How about the ref saying, and getting his linesman to say something like it was someone else he showed or something that's vaguely plasuable. Better than getting sacked.

Sorry, what does that mean? Who could have been prejudiced by the lie?

And they didn't lie about the decision they, or rather he, lied about whether his linesman brought it to his attention or whether he approached the linesman.

You'll forgive me if I don't indulge in your thought experiment, Setenza, since it has nothing to do with anything which actually happened.

And, again, what's this got to do with Celtic? I can understand the SFA having concerns about his rectitude because he lied to his employers, but what's that got to do with Celtic? Celtic have no more gripe than United, or Rangers, or Cowdenbeath, or Civil Service Strollers.
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Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:26 PM


You'll forgive me if I don't indulge in your thought experiment, Setenza, since it has nothing to do with anything which actually happened.

That's exactly it - I'm not talking about this incident. I'm talking about what could happen if referees mislead managers / the rest of us over their decisions.
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Setenza
Nov 1 2010, 06:28 PM
Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:26 PM


You'll forgive me if I don't indulge in your thought experiment, Setenza, since it has nothing to do with anything which actually happened.

That's exactly it - I'm not talking about this incident. I'm talking about what could happen if referees mislead managers / the rest of us over their decisions.


1. He didn't mislead anyone over his decision.

2. I see. The slippery slope is it?
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And what's it got to do with Celtic?

The story here isn't that McDonald told a white lie which didn't harm or threaten anyone and had no material effect on anything but that Celtic are demanding answers. Unfortunately no one's able to ascertain what the fucking questions are.
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Setenza
Nov 1 2010, 05:28 PM
That's exactly it  - I'm not talking about this incident. I'm talking about what could happen if referees mislead managers / the rest of us over their decisions.

Hypothetically, nothing happens. The decisions don't get undone. There's just more maw-maw.

You either trust the referee to have used his best judgement, or you don't. Demanding a referee justify a decision indicates instantly that you don't. That's a rather shitty attitude to take to the game.

I can sympathise with managers who demand referees justify unjustifiable decisions, but my sympathy ebbs when there's no case to answer. As Ivan notes, Celtic seem to be deliberately inflaming their supporters' pissheaded delusions by demanding answers to questions that don't exist.

(Agreeing with Ivan is making me feel very uncomfortable, by the way. Very uncomfortable in the willy.)
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Anyway, I doubt Dougie will be refereeing another Celtic game any time soon. And I doubt he'll ever referee an Old Firm game again.

Interesting precedent set too in all the media appearances and statements by the respective parties.

Mute point, but if Dougie gets 7.9 on the Dallas H scale for that game, what on earth was the good Reverend awarded in April 2008 at Ibrox?
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That will be a moot point I guess ;)

I often wish the chatterers of of the OF and the Scottish football media were indeed mute.
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Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:33 PM
1. He didn't mislead anyone over his decision.

I thought the whole start of this discussion was that he did.

But anyway...
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This kind of thread is what made it worthwhile branching off into our own new forum B)
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Setenza
Nov 2 2010, 12:18 AM
Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:33 PM
1. He didn't mislead anyone over his decision.

I thought the whole start of this discussion was that he did.

But anyway...

That's where you've been going wrong. He lied after the game about whether someone offered an opinion or whether he invited their opinion. The decision itself was never an issue.
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Ivan
Nov 2 2010, 08:48 AM
Setenza
Nov 2 2010, 12:18 AM
Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:33 PM
1. He didn't mislead anyone over his decision.

I thought the whole start of this discussion was that he did.

But anyway...

That's where you've been going wrong. He lied after the game about whether someone offered an opinion or whether he invited their opinion. The decision itself was never an issue.


We're looking at it in a different way, fair enough, we'll see what happens in the coming weeks.

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Setenza
Nov 2 2010, 02:08 PM
Ivan
Nov 2 2010, 08:48 AM
Setenza
Nov 2 2010, 12:18 AM
Ivan
Nov 1 2010, 06:33 PM
1. He didn't mislead anyone over his decision.

I thought the whole start of this discussion was that he did.

But anyway...

That's where you've been going wrong. He lied after the game about whether someone offered an opinion or whether he invited their opinion. The decision itself was never an issue.


We're looking at it in a different way, fair enough, we'll see what happens in the coming weeks.

The collective shit storm will force McDonald out of a job; Celtic will feel vindicated that their paranoia was justified; pressure on referees will continue to rise; tabloid writers will wank over broken SFA crests.
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Gary Hooper apparently said:

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Everyone wants to beat us and maybe the referee wants to give decisions against Celtic so that they can tell someone that they gave a bad decision against one of the biggest clubs in the world.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/20...oper-celtic-spl
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Yeah, I heard that the other day. What a fucking bellend.

I hope the SFA charge him with bringing the game into disrepute. See how he likes them apples.
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