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First world war ends
Topic Started: Sep 29 2010, 10:33 PM (1,513 Views)
Clarkie
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offically over on sunday

no more need to bayonet any germans you see, well unless the second world war isn't offically over yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ially-ends.html

thank feck for that I wasn't looking forward to my callup to man the trenches.

Most pointless war ever a fall out between cousins that escalated to about 24 million dead.

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Cobardon
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Clarkie
Sep 29 2010, 10:33 PM
offically over on sunday

no more need to bayonet any germans you see, well unless the second world war isn't offically over yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ially-ends.html

thank feck for that I wasn't looking forward to my callup to man the trenches.

Most pointless war ever a fall out between cousins that escalated to about 24 million dead.

Dunno....in terms of pointless, the War of Jenkins' Ear probably beats it. You could also argue that the 30 Years War had an even more devastating impact upon the Europe of its day if we're talking body count per head of population. Man, it was harsh.

But, I know what you mean: WWI always seems more poignant and pathetic somehow than WW2. Maybe it's the fact that WW2 was more a war that needed to be fought and sprung almost directly from the sad embers of the unfinished first conflict. Maybe it was the sudden wrenching of the world into a new era where chivalry and grace were finally expunged forever from the face of war, where the power of the still fairly new military-industrial complex exerted itself in a brutal and complete fashion where men became as machines. Maybe it's just that such bloody good poetry got written about it. Good did come from it all the same: the beginning of the end of the age of patriotism and empire, universal suffrage, a disrespect for authority, new technology, of course. In many ways, we're still living in its aftermath, even though it hasn't officially ended. Perhaps some day we can get over it?
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whatsthatonyourback
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Nice bit of propaganda at the end of that Telegraph article:
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When the Wall Street Crash came in 1929, the Weimar Republic spiralled into debt. Four years later, Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany.
Just in case you weren't sure about swingeing cuts to eradicate national debt and the consequences of not taking action immediately.
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Cobardon
Sep 30 2010, 07:35 AM
Clarkie
Sep 29 2010, 10:33 PM
offically over on sunday

no more need to bayonet any germans you see, well unless the second world war isn't offically over yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ially-ends.html

thank feck for that I wasn't looking forward to my callup to man the trenches.

Most pointless war ever a fall out between cousins that escalated to about 24 million dead.

Dunno....in terms of pointless, the War of Jenkins' Ear probably beats it. You could also argue that the 30 Years War had an even more devastating impact upon the Europe of its day if we're talking body count per head of population. Man, it was harsh.

But, I know what you mean: WWI always seems more poignant and pathetic somehow than WW2. Maybe it's the fact that WW2 was more a war that needed to be fought and sprung almost directly from the sad embers of the unfinished first conflict. Maybe it was the sudden wrenching of the world into a new era where chivalry and grace were finally expunged forever from the face of war, where the power of the still fairly new military-industrial complex exerted itself in a brutal and complete fashion where men became as machines. Maybe it's just that such bloody good poetry got written about it. Good did come from it all the same: the beginning of the end of the age of patriotism and empire, universal suffrage, a disrespect for authority, new technology, of course. In many ways, we're still living in its aftermath, even though it hasn't officially ended. Perhaps some day we can get over it?

Good point about still living in the aftermath of it. How many generations does it take? Maybe it's better we don't forget too soon.

I'd never heard of the Jenkins' Ear war, thanks for that. That became part of a much wider war that I'd never heard about, The War of the Austrian Succession. Why have I never heard about this war when it pulled in most of the powers of Europe, plus Russia, and was fought in Europe, India and North America!
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whatsthatonyourback
Sep 30 2010, 07:43 AM
Nice bit of propaganda at the end of that Telegraph article:
Torygraph
 
When the Wall Street Crash came in 1929, the Weimar Republic spiralled into debt. Four years later, Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany.
Just in case you weren't sure about swingeing cuts to eradicate national debt and the consequences of not taking action immediately.

Propaganda-Spotting Gold Star for whatsa.

Pick up that 'serious, balanced' rag Economist sometime that has somehow managed to infiltrate the professional working types (well, among xepats here at least), grab a marker, and go propaganda hunting. You might need two markers, mind.
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To most people these events seem like a very distant past, but you're talking only around 100 years here which is next to nothing in the scale of things.
As for forgetting.... I'm not sure whether it is best just to forget the instigator of these crimes, and have pondered the division between the will of the rulers and the will of the people many times. Was Germany a nation of weak minds of whom millions of people were forced to silently abide by the Nazis' rule, or was there infact a mass support for the eradication of Jews where only afterwards did people claim to have been forced to go with the party.
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Yagan
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There was a movement all through Europe to eradicate the Jews. Even in Scotland. Ever the world's bankers/loan sharks, since and before 'The Merchant of Venice' and even Dickens (Fagin), the world has hated the Jews.

Not right, but true. :o

I'm not a Jew, but see the facts.
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Yagan
Oct 1 2010, 08:20 AM
There was a movement all through Europe to eradicate the Jews. Even in Scotland.

What was this movement, and how popular was it?
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Yagan
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Oct 1 2010, 07:34 AM
Yagan
Oct 1 2010, 08:20 AM
There was a movement all through Europe to eradicate the Jews. Even in Scotland.

What was this movement, and how popular was it?

Not popular, but Mosley's thugs marched though almost every city in Scotland (not Aberdeen) and stood for Parliament in six West Coast towns.

Didn't get a sniff, so I take the point.

Had a significant following in England, and particularly the East End though. Not to say we Scots were lovers of the Jews though. They were subjected to racial abuse on a regular basis in all of GB.

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I'll give the Jews this, they're good at making people hate them wherever* they go :huh:

*they have a reputation for being smart in Chinese culture though, which is seen as a virtue rather than a reason to eradicate them
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Skeletor
Sep 30 2010, 03:49 PM
Was Germany a nation of weak minds of whom millions of people were forced to silently abide by the Nazis' rule, or was there infact a mass support for the eradication of Jews where only afterwards did people claim to have been forced to go with the party.

Germany had the usual array of petty predjudices among the more feeble-minded which were exploited by some jackboot wearing nationalist thugs, and as soon they got power it was game over. No resistance brooked.

As for me, I liked the Jews. Well, not Ariel Sharon, but Larry David and Lenny Bruce.
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I've been asked on more than one occasion "are you sure you're not Jewish?".
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findus
Oct 1 2010, 09:53 AM
I'll give the Jews this, they're good at making people hate them wherever* they go :huh:


I blame those Egyptians myself, they started it.
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whatsthatonyourback
Oct 1 2010, 05:29 PM
I've been asked on more than one occasion "are you sure you're not Jewish?".

Zionist sympathizer!

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whatsthatonyourback
Oct 1 2010, 10:29 AM
I've been asked on more than one occasion "are you sure you're not Jewish?".

A Jewish Arab?
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