Micky

Feb 9 2016, 09:06 PM

How does one save a webpage for future perusal? Because that post of Naebody's is the best post of any internet forum I've ever seen, and I include the 'The Catholics have won' post from RangersMedia a few years back.

vvhatsthatonyourback

Feb 9 2016, 10:32 PM

Getting a bit off topic here, chaps.

Address zico's original question or I'm deleting this thread.

Cobardon

Feb 9 2016, 11:21 PM

Ok, to bring it back right on topic I remember that famous moment when McGinnis scored that o.g. v Man United. Utter silence from the bulk of the ground and a lull following it, but then the old fashioned banks of encouragement from the DUFC three quarters of the ground. I don't think I'm misrepresenting the moment in that no one berated him for it, there weren't howls of insult and derision from the fans. If that had been the equivalent - say, Spittal, in a tie as big as that he'd be torn into by the bulk of the 'support'.

It's true that they got grumbled at in lesser games, guys like McGinnis and Beaumont, but they did have hard acts to follow. The guys these days have far lesser names to emulate and still get pelters for not being them. Look at the abuse dished out to Gunning for not being a commanding centre half like..er...Gunning. (I hear he was much better on Saturday, by the way?)

In summary, I don't reckon there's much chance we'd be getting another fair play award any time soon.

Barca87

Feb 10 2016, 08:53 AM

But the truth is probably all fans of all clubs are exactly the same. I think they go to the football so they can get annoyed.

Cobardon

Feb 10 2016, 10:59 AM

Barca87

Feb 10 2016, 08:53 AM

But the truth is probably all fans of all clubs are exactly the same. I think they go to the football so they can get annoyed.

I don't think that's it really. Not intentionally anyway.

I think it's an extension of the modern cult of 'self', where we go to gigs and spend the whole time filming it to prove we were there rather than actually, you know, enjoying it while we're there. It's where we add our own input on something even if we have nothing to say, just because our own opinion has to be important, as it ours. It's public petitions based on offence, it's the apathy in taking care of those around us or our own environment, it's the parents parking outside the school on a school run whether that makes it more awkward for everyone else or not, it's blaming the teachers for our kids being brought up badly and misbehaving. It's the moaning about local government while doing bugger all to get involved, it's the hatred towards immigrants, travellers and bankers. It's road rage, it's lack of willingness to pay your way, it's lonely people dying alone and being left dead for years before anyone notices.

It's the modern form of solipsism where only we (and ours) matter. The club is ours and we help create it (though we don't, in any real sense, but we think we do) so when it fails because we invest a large portion of our psyche in it we fail too. And that is unacceptable, so we get angry and frustrated and look for someone to blame. And it can't be ourselves because although we help create it when it wins, we're never to blame for anything that goes wrong in our lives, right?

In short, it's f*cking capitalism right enough.

Cobardon

Feb 10 2016, 10:59 AM

I think it's an extension of the modern cult of 'self', where we go to gigs and spend the whole time filming it to prove we were there rather than actually, you know, enjoying it while we're there. It's where we add our own input on something even if we have nothing to say, just because our own opinion has to be important, as it ours. It's public petitions based on offence, it's the apathy in taking care of those around us or our own environment, it's the parents parking outside the school on a school run whether that makes it more awkward for everyone else or not, it's blaming the teachers for our kids being brought up badly and misbehaving. It's the moaning about local government while doing bugger all to get involved, it's the hatred towards immigrants, travellers and bankers. It's road rage, it's lack of willingness to pay your way, it's lonely people dying alone and being left dead for years before anyone notices.

It's the modern form of solipsism where only we (and ours) matter. The club is ours and we help create it (though we don't, in any real sense, but we think we do) so when it fails because we invest a large portion of our psyche in it we fail too. And that is unacceptable, so we get angry and frustrated and look for someone to blame. And it can't be ourselves because although we help create it when it wins, we're never to blame for anything that goes wrong in our lives, right?

In short, it's f*cking capitalism right enough.

yasser

Feb 10 2016, 03:43 PM

Long live the baby boomers

Setenza

Feb 10 2016, 02:46 PM

Cobardon

Feb 10 2016, 10:59 AM

Barca87

Feb 10 2016, 08:53 AM

But the truth is probably all fans of all clubs are exactly the same. I think they go to the football so they can get annoyed.

I don't think that's it really. Not intentionally anyway.

I think it's an extension of the modern cult of 'self', where we go to gigs and spend the whole time filming it to prove we were there rather than actually, you know, enjoying it while we're there. It's where we add our own input on something even if we have nothing to say, just because our own opinion has to be important, as it ours. It's public petitions based on offence, it's the apathy in taking care of those around us or our own environment, it's the parents parking outside the school on a school run whether that makes it more awkward for everyone else or not, it's blaming the teachers for our kids being brought up badly and misbehaving. It's the moaning about local government while doing bugger all to get involved, it's the hatred towards immigrants, travellers and bankers. It's road rage, it's lack of willingness to pay your way, it's lonely people dying alone and being left dead for years before anyone notices.

It's the modern form of solipsism where only we (and ours) matter. The club is ours and we help create it (though we don't, in any real sense, but we think we do) so when it fails because we invest a large portion of our psyche in it we fail too. And that is unacceptable, so we get angry and frustrated and look for someone to blame. And it can't be ourselves because although we help create it when it wins, we're never to blame for anything that goes wrong in our lives, right?

In short, it's f*cking capitalism right enough.

If that's the case, why do these people hang around? Most selfish people abandon ship at the first sign of trouble. Instead, there's plenty of our (and other clubs) fans who turn up at Ross County on a wet evening when United are playing terribly, then go on to get angry. They enjoy it.



There was a guy who used to sit about 10 seats along from me. If things were going well, he was silent. As soon as someone went wrong, he'd start to moan and shout. Even if we were 4-1 up and clearly going to win. When things were going really wrong, he'd get so visibly angry that his health must have suffered. Maybe he was internally happy when things were going well, and just didn't express it. But yhy turn up at all? He's not been there past season or two, maybe gave up or died, but I always wondered what he got from attending.

zico

Feb 7 2016, 06:41 PM

Anyone else think this season was constructed so we didn't forget what it's like to be down the bottom half, after all it must be ten years since we were?

Quote:

 

[O]ne former football hooligan believes the current problems pale in comparison with days gone by.

"In the 1980's you had young men coming from urban areas into city centres to cause large scale disruption involving CS gas, petrol bombs and knives - a huge gang culture," explained Bradley Welsh, a once notorious casual who followed Hibernian.

"What you have now is a bunch of young middle class lads wearing designer clothes and going along seeking high-jinx for self-esteem - there's a huge difference."

Cobardon

Feb 9 2016, 11:21 PM

Ok, to bring it back right on topic I remember that famous moment when McGinnis scored that o.g. v Man United. Utter silence from the bulk of the ground and a lull following it, but then the old fashioned banks of encouragement from the DUFC three quarters of the ground. I don't think I'm misrepresenting the moment in that no one berated him for it, there weren't howls of insult and derision from the fans. If that had been the equivalent - say, Spittal, in a tie as big as that he'd be torn into by the bulk of the 'support'.