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| Setenza | Apr 2 2015, 12:35 PM Post #16 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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And probably the worst result, a statement that says nothing and doesn't even acknowledge the point most people are wondering about.
So, how long until the next statement in this saga? |
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| yasser | Apr 2 2015, 01:38 PM Post #17 |
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Ivan Golac
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Club response April 2, 2015 “The Board of Dundee United has noted the statement issued by two Dundee United supporters’ organisations. All supporters can be assured that the Board will continue to implement its professional and comprehensive strategy for the football club. This strategy and the related actions of the Chairman and Board of Directors have delivered progress both on and off field. “On field the Club has reached back-to-back domestic Cup finals for the first time in 29 years, qualified for European competition in three of the last four years, finished in the Premiership top six (formerly SPL) in every one of the last seven years and won the Scottish Cup in 2010. The current management team and players are also sitting fourth in the Premiership this season with sights firmly set on securing a European qualification place. “Off field the Board has reduced overall debt, including Thompson family loans, from £5.2 million in February 2014 to £2.6 million while successfully extricating the Club from all bank debt. The Club debt is projected to be reduced to £1.4 million by the end of this year. And, in a period where Scottish football clubs have faced some of the most challenging economic times in history, the Club continues to pursue its strategic objectives and invests in facilities for the future. “Supporters can rest assured that the Board is comprised of individuals that are, without exception, Dundee United supporters. They bring with them a wealth of experience in business. At all times, the Board acts to promote the success of Dundee United and will continue to do so.” |
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| Conan the Destroyer | Apr 2 2015, 01:51 PM Post #18 |
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I prefer it when we're pish
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"PS - the Trust can go and jump in the Tay." |
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| Naebody | Apr 2 2015, 04:16 PM Post #19 |
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Twat
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Total speculation on my part. He's the only person I could imagine who, in spite of not being a player/agent/other club, might be due a ~5% cut of a transfer fee. There may be others though. And, working on the assumption that nothing illegal or underhand has happened, I couldn't really care. Shite statement from the club. Just terrible. They had two options -- say nothing or say something -- and they've picked neither. |
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| Setenza | Apr 2 2015, 10:29 PM Post #20 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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However, they've put more out via a 'spokesman' speaking to Spence.
I guess it's over the ArabTRUST and the Federation to explain the figure. Or hopefully just quietly run off. |
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| the.mule | Apr 2 2015, 10:37 PM Post #21 |
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Destroyer suggested the trust jump into the Tay, i will up the ante and try to get the board to jump in there with them in a sink or swim scenario. We need a little transparency though so perhaps Caribbean waters would be more appropriate. The Tay would only cloud things further. |
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| Setenza | Apr 3 2015, 09:55 AM Post #22 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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Record going with the £500k going to McNamara and coaching staff.
Which may or may not be true, but if true, makes things a bit muddier, and it's easy to see why fans are not going to be happy with the manager profiting from selling players, which could weaken the team. Of course, he may not be the one making the decision, but surely would have influence. Even though I can see the issue, still can't see need for the public bickering. |
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| Hamish | Apr 3 2015, 10:21 AM Post #23 |
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Agree with that. I read that it's a more common practice in England than Scotland. I'd purely speculate that a percentage of transfer fees was part of the package that came with the [reportedly] £130,000-ish salary which was the reduced amount that Peter Houston wouldn't accept. Receiving a percentage for all player sales is less complex than if it would be for only players who arrived during his tenure (let's say Ciftci or Bilate as examples) and who were then sold. The latter would get tricky. |
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| Setenza | Apr 3 2015, 06:08 PM Post #24 |
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Closer to the truth, one statement at a time.
Since the only transfer income we're likely to get is developing young players, it make sense from a certain angle. Of course, the size of the bonus is still unknown, as is who else gets bonuses, but seems like getting closer to clearing all of this up. |
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| zico | Apr 3 2015, 06:57 PM Post #25 |
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The club has the right to pursue whatever policies they think are prudent for the clubs benefit. This cant be beneficial and leads the manager open to suspicion of wrong doing and back handers in dodgy envelopes After some careful thought isnt this along the lines of the bonus system that was geared to incentivise the players to win games in the 80s for big wages? Seems reasonable to me Edited by zico, Apr 3 2015, 07:02 PM.
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| Tom_Boland | Apr 3 2015, 07:04 PM Post #26 |
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Players on tick then. Wonder how much more we're still due in total from Hull, Sporting, and Smellsick. |
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| TheDean | Apr 3 2015, 07:36 PM Post #27 |
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ALLEGEDLY CALICO
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Not opposed in principle to remuneration shaped around the club strategy. It's just that the strategy isn't set out well. I'd like to think that the commission tapers up according to the number of years the player has been on our books and playing in the first team. So the commission can't be that great for Robertson, but Gauld slightly more, Armstrong huge etc. |
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| TheDean | Apr 3 2015, 07:38 PM Post #28 |
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ALLEGEDLY CALICO
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Having said that- it reinforces my view that the training suffers when we've got a players agent embedded in the coaching staff. |
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| Setenza | Apr 3 2015, 08:23 PM Post #29 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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Guess what, another statement. We'll be new the new rangers soon.
I especially like the mock surprise the club actually responds to public accusations of improper financial arrangement. |
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| Naebody | Apr 4 2015, 07:18 AM Post #30 |
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Twat
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Holy fuck. Well, I guess we can begin to piece this together. 1. Arabtrust asked "where did all the transfer money go?" 2. ST said that some of it went on bonuses to club employees, details of which are confidential. The confidentiality is because remuneration agreements are always confidential. 3. Arabtrust, having been given this small amount of confidential information, thought it had identified a conspiracy and went doolaly. 4. Welcome to Amateur Hour. So: 1. It was a terrible decision to sell Armstrong and GMS, which was compounded by the club's misleading statements on the matter. 2. Was the terrible decision to sell driven by self interest? Possibly. 3. Does the existence of a bonus structure linked to transfer fees prove self interest? No. It only proves that management is incentivised to maximise the sell-on value of employees, which is seen as mutually beneficial. 4. Do I like that policy? No. Not much. 5. But do I recognise it as a legitimate way to run the business? Sure. |
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