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Vs The Celtics; #1 this March - League Cup Final
Topic Started: Feb 28 2015, 06:34 PM (4,888 Views)
litljortindan2
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Should've had a penalty and the Dillon challenge could as well have been given as a yellow, especially considering the challenge Dillon himself was subjected to. Penalty given and coutning could've made a difference.

Did well to prevent a rout after going down to 10 vs 11 or 10 vs 12 if you include the ref. Or you could say it ought to have been 10 vs 13 if you could count the Celtic crowd but their singing was very poor. And, after one win in seven cup finals for me, it really is all abnout the singing mainly.
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Having looked at the Dillon red again, I think yellow was more apt. While he went in with a foot off the ground and some studs visible, he had already hit the ground and his weight, crucially, was on his other foot. His studsy raised foot was really just waving in the air. Did he even make contact with the Celtics player?

No problems with Van Dijk's tackle on Dillon. Just unfortunate.
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Mar 16 2015, 10:28 AM
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Mar 15 2015, 09:41 PM
Rado did ok too but tbh when I saw him warming up and regularly spilling shots crying out for rebounds, I thought we'd probably get done by one in open play. commons opener was inevitable.
You're right. He totally should've held it.

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that's certainly what Fojut and Dixon thought
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vvhatsthatonyourback
Mar 16 2015, 05:51 PM
Having looked at the Dillon red again, I think yellow was more apt. While he went in with a foot off the ground and some studs visible, he had already hit the ground and his weight, crucially, was on his other foot. His studsy raised foot was really just waving in the air. Did he even make contact with the Celtics player?
Really? There was definite contact, and enough to send Commons flying.

Regardless of the weight on the foot, it was so late, high with studs showing, and the impact made it a clear red.
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Mar 16 2015, 08:35 PM
vvhatsthatonyourback
Mar 16 2015, 05:51 PM
Having looked at the Dillon red again, I think yellow was more apt. While he went in with a foot off the ground and some studs visible, he had already hit the ground and his weight, crucially, was on his other foot. His studsy raised foot was really just waving in the air. Did he even make contact with the Celtics player?
Really? There was definite contact, and enough to send Commons flying.

Regardless of the weight on the foot, it was so late, high with studs showing, and the impact made it a clear red.
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Mar 16 2015, 05:51 PM
Did he even make contact with the Celtics player?

What are you on Whatson? The Cletic player was clearly clinically dead from the moment Dillon lunged forward to the nano second after the red card was aired. Where were the paramedics. That's what I want to know.
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Record tries desperately to make something out of neutral comments from Dillon.

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I was chasing my touch at the red card incident. I got in front of Stokes and the ball was getting away from me and I was trying to get it. There was no malice in it, I wasn’t trying to hurt the guy, but because it was a little bit high I gave the referee the chance to send me off. I have to take responsibility for that. I don’t think I hurt him and I’m not even sure if I got him, but I have to take the responsibility for it. I honestly thought the official was going to only give me a yellow at first, that’s what I was expecting. However, he consulted with his linesman and it was the linesman that gave the decision. He took his time with it.

That's how I saw it too, both at the time and in replay. Still not sure why the majority consider it a stick-on red.

To recap, one player was sent off for a rash and clumsy accident because it might've caused serious damage, while another player didn't even concede a foul for his rash and clumsy accident that did cause serious cause. Funny old game, Greavesy.
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Mar 17 2015, 09:54 AM
Record tries desperately to make something out of neutral comments from Dillon.

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I was chasing my touch at the red card incident. I got in front of Stokes and the ball was getting away from me and I was trying to get it. There was no malice in it, I wasn’t trying to hurt the guy, but because it was a little bit high I gave the referee the chance to send me off. I have to take responsibility for that. I don’t think I hurt him and I’m not even sure if I got him, but I have to take the responsibility for it. I honestly thought the official was going to only give me a yellow at first, that’s what I was expecting. However, he consulted with his linesman and it was the linesman that gave the decision. He took his time with it.

That's how I saw it too, both at the time and in replay. Still not sure why the majority consider it a stick-on red.
Considering a lot of the red cards we've seen this season for studs up late tackles, it's been one of the clearest red cards I've seen. We all know Dillon's not a nasty player who'd go into hurt someone, but it was a pretty bad one. As Dillon says, he game him the chance being so late, high and studs up.

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Mar 17 2015, 11:56 AM
Considering a lot of the red cards we've seen this season for studs up late tackles, it's been one of the clearest red cards I've seen. We all know Dillon's not a nasty player who'd go into hurt someone, but it was a pretty bad one. As Dillon says, he game him the chance being so late, high and studs up.

Guess so. Dunno. Perhaps I'm being biased. It certainly looks dramatic ....

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... whereas Van Dijk's appeared innocuous.

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It's the same effect though, right? Both players go in too aggressively for a 60-40 ball and end up kicking the player accidentally. One was a red card because it looked bad and one wasn't even a foul because it didn't, even though it was.

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Mar 17 2015, 12:30 PM
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Mar 17 2015, 11:56 AM
Considering a lot of the red cards we've seen this season for studs up late tackles, it's been one of the clearest red cards I've seen. We all know Dillon's not a nasty player who'd go into hurt someone, but it was a pretty bad one. As Dillon says, he game him the chance being so late, high and studs up.

Guess so. Dunno. Perhaps I'm being biased. It certainly looks dramatic ....

... whereas Van Dijk's appeared innocuous.


It's the same effect though, right? Both players go in too aggressively for a 60-40 ball and end up kicking the player accidentally. One was a red card because it looked bad and one wasn't even a foul because it didn't.

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Can't see the comparison.

I didn't see anything very aggressive about Van Dijk's. It was barely late, his foot wasn't studs up or unusual positioned for someone trying to win the ball.

van Dijk had every right to try to win that ball in the way he did, Dillon should never have had his foot that high with studs up for where the ball was.

Resulting injury doesn't change anything, can't award punishment for injury caused.

The fly in the air, combined with the roar of the crowd and the appeals from the players obviously had an impact on how it appeared. But even when that's taken away, I'd still give the red to Dillon and not to van Dijk. And you'd hope the ref / linesman would be able to remove that from the decision also, but it doesn't always happen.
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The van Dijk one was right in front of me. I could be wrong but I don't recall anyone getting hugely upset about it in that part of the crowd. Fair challenge for me.

Dillon's foul - and I rely on TV and pictures for that one as it was on the other side of the pitch - is a red card.

And, while we're at it, Brown's shove on Dow is a penalty (not that Madden gives those, as we know from Ibrox last April), while Izaguirre's foul on Dow on the right is a yellow card.
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Mar 17 2015, 01:43 PM
The van Dijk one was right in front of me. I could be wrong but I don't recall anyone getting hugely upset about it in that part of the crowd. Fair challenge for me.

Dillon's foul - and I rely on TV and pictures for that one as it was on the other side of the pitch - is a red card.

And, while we're at it, Brown's shove on Dow is a penalty (not that Madden gives those, as we know from Ibrox last April), while Izaguirre's foul on Dow on the right is a yellow card.
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that.

Had previously thought Dillon was a yellow card incident but can't argue with red, and on that basis I was probably wrong. Comparing it with Van Dijk was only meant as "funny old world, innit", not a rail against some injustice.
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Thought our singing was very good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bAchDAiLA
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