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Ambition; have we got any?
Topic Started: Feb 15 2015, 07:12 PM (626 Views)
zico
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I really do appreciate that players come and go but surely a strategy of selling our top.players just when we seem to be establishing ourselves as genuine contenders proves that our chairman and manager accept that nobody can challenge the old firm for honours? Surely as supporters we would.like to see some serious ambition. After all if United had sold Narey, Sturton, Dodds and Holt to name.but a few we wouldn't have had the honours we did achieve. It seems as soon as money is on the table the.players are.off and we are left back.to square one
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We are being left behind by It for.gods sake


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TheDean
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Ah yes, Sturton- he was definitely the one that broke our ambition with his departure. All the others were good, right enough but he just seemed unreal.

But I can see where you're coming from zeek. Never an ideal time to dispose of players when you are either "up there " challenging or " struggling to stay up" . That's why we've got to get behind the players we have left; who can still play a bit...................








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zico
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Feb 15 2015, 07:33 PM
Ah yes, Sturton- he was definitely the one that broke our ambition with his departure. All the others were good, right enough but he just seemed unreal.

But I can see where you're coming from zeek. Never an ideal time to dispose of players when you are either "up there " challenging or " struggling to stay up" . That's why we've got to get behind the players we have left; who can still play a bit...................








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zico
Feb 15 2015, 07:12 PM
I really do appreciate that players come and go but surely a strategy of selling our top.players just when we seem to be establishing ourselves as genuine contenders proves that our chairman and manager accept that nobody can challenge the old firm for honours? Surely as supporters we would.like to see some serious ambition. After all if United had sold Narey, Sturton, Dodds and Holt to name.but a few we wouldn't have had the honours we did achieve. It seems as soon as money is on the table the.players are.off and we are left back.to square one
one.

We are being left behind by It for.gods sake


You're right in many ways, but alas the world we are in is not that of 1982.

Back then we could keep those guys because there wasn't a huge amount more to be made elsewhere...if Narey had been approached by, say, Man United back after his wonder goal at the World Cup his wages would have gone from (at a guess) £1000 a week to about £3000. Tempting, I'm sure, but not life changing. Now in the same circumstances he'd go from about three or four times the amount to ten or twenty. Also, there wasn't the exposure back then to make big headlines even in England...football wasn't as high profile or as relentlessly marketed. There wasn't an agent culture either.

Now, we stand little or no chance of keeping our best players. Scotland is a relatively poor league in a small country...and we only have (these days) one big club. It'll attract more players and in turn itself will lose them to bigger fish abroad - generally down south (see Wanyama, Forster, Hooper) whenever they play too well. It's why, at the end of this season, Celtic fans will be bemoaning their own lack of ambition as van Dijk, Denayer and Johansen all head off at the first big offer.

Solutions? There aren't any. If we want to attract the best Scottish young talent we need to let them know we will not stand in their way when opportunity comes. That means getting a season or two out of them before their skills are appreciated elsewhere. The only players who stick around for years are those (Dillon, Rankin) who no one else really wants.
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I suspect soon we will look at this as a relative golden period. Started by Levein, the purchasing of lower-level talent, a few older heads and the bringing through of youth has brought us a pretty consistent stream of good seasons (have we been out the top six since 2007/08?).

Albeit you could certainly argue we have under-achieved with intermittent European qualification and perhaps a few more cup finals, we have gone from being a total basket case of a club to being a model for how to run a club in the current climate, with a stability and relative diet of success that most clubs (the Edinburgh ones for starters) can only dream of.

I had discussed with my Dad if the frustrating levels of inconsistency we have shown, especially under McNamara, is the inevitable but possibly worth while price we pay for playing with exciting open youngsters, and older player who just are not quite good enough. For every Rado flap at Kilmarnock in February, we had the spell of football in November 2013 or the 6-2 derby win.
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TheDean
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It takes guts to introduce Burt Bacharach and Bobbie Gentry into this thread.

However , no - they still weren't as good as Sturton.
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Feb 16 2015, 02:58 PM
I suspect soon we will look at this as a relative golden period. Started by Levein, the purchasing of lower-level talent, a few older heads and the bringing through of youth has brought us a pretty consistent stream of good seasons (have we been out the top six since 2007/08?).

Albeit you could certainly argue we have under-achieved with intermittent European qualification and perhaps a few more cup finals, we have gone from being a total basket case of a club to being a model for how to run a club in the current climate, with a stability and relative diet of success that most clubs (the Edinburgh ones for starters) can only dream of.

I had discussed with my Dad if the frustrating levels of inconsistency we have shown, especially under McNamara, is the inevitable but possibly worth while price we pay for playing with exciting open youngsters, and older player who just are not quite good enough. For every Rado flap at Kilmarnock in February, we had the spell of football in November 2013 or the 6-2 derby win.
I agree, and think it's why when the times are good, there's such a desire to win things. We're never going to win the league or go far in europe, but cup wins are few and far between. So when the time is right, and these things are in reach, there's such frustration that it looks like we're passing on the opportunity.



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zico
Feb 15 2015, 07:12 PM
I really do appreciate that players come and go but surely a strategy of selling our top.players just when we seem to be establishing ourselves as genuine contenders proves that our chairman and manager accept that nobody can challenge the old firm for honours? Surely as supporters we would.like to see some serious ambition. After all if United had sold Narey, Sturton, Dodds and Holt to name.but a few we wouldn't have had the honours we did achieve. It seems as soon as money is on the table the.players are.off and we are left back.to square one
one.

We are being left behind by It for.gods sake


Zeeko it's only what we do between now and the end of the season that ambition can truly be judged.
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