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| yasser | Jul 11 2014, 10:10 AM Post #91 |
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however the game is played you need someone to supply the end product. Did Davie Dodds ever score from outside the penalty box? I'd bet a graph of his goals would be the same as above. Anyway at international level Gert Muller was the top poacher (and scorer) in my book. |
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| Setenza | Jul 13 2014, 10:21 PM Post #92 |
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Deserved win for Germany I thought, a very good team and manager who knows how to win. Seeing Messi pick up the best player award just reinforces the recognition for achievements rather than committee decided awards. |
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| Naebody | Jul 14 2014, 08:03 AM Post #93 |
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I find Götse's face irritating yet weirdly compelling. As if Michaelangelo painted a Home Counties grammar school cunt. |
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| vvhatsthatonyourback | Jul 14 2014, 02:49 PM Post #94 |
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Well, I was right. Germany. Thought they were the best team throughout - talented, creative, dashing, robust when they had to be, and a proper team with no indispensable players. Germany winning is a good result for football and humanity. It shows it's possible to look at how things have been for a while, decide how you want to improve them in the long term, create a plan, execute the plan and be successful. Not that I expect many to take up the lessons of Germany's win and apply them elsewhere, especially not England where a near religious faith in the short term, the individual and the free market seems to strangle any hope of planning for the better rather than just pointing at a big number with a £ sign in front of it and emptily applauding as the number grows. |
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| vvhatsthatonyourback | Jul 14 2014, 02:52 PM Post #95 |
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Well, I was right. Germany. Thought they were the best team throughout - talented, creative, dashing, robust when they had to be, and a proper team with no indispensable players. Germany winning is a good result for football and humanity. It shows it's possible to look at how things have been for a while, decide how you want to improve them in the long term, create a plan, execute the plan and be successful. Not that I expect many to take up the lessons of Germany's win and apply them elsewhere, especially not England where a near religious faith in the short term, the individual and the free market seems to strangle any hope of planning for the better rather than just pointing at a big number with a £ sign in front of it and emptily applauding as the number grows. |
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| vvhatsthatonyourback | Jul 14 2014, 02:52 PM Post #96 |
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Well worth a double post. |
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| Setenza | Jul 15 2014, 07:22 PM Post #97 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if a few teams take note and start to think longer term. Englands 'young team' seemed to be with one eye on the future, even if they've no idea what that future is. Klinsmann seems to be trying the same approach with the US and they also did pretty well. Even if the US like a bit of free market short termism, they like to win even more. |
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| vvhatsthatonyourback | Jul 16 2014, 08:46 AM Post #98 |
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Klinsmann seems to have been one of the architects of the current German setup, so I would hope he would be trying to replicate its successes in the USA. For all the market forces dogma prevalent in the 'States, they seem to take an admirably non-market and long term approach when it comes to sport. England will ignore any lessons they could have taken from Germany's rebuild as they took a few young players to Brasil and that counts as forward thinking and rebuilding. I'm waiting for whatever the current bunch of under 25 years old players to be labelled either a Golden Generation, or a team In Transition. |
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| Naebody | Jul 16 2014, 09:23 AM Post #99 |
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Yeah, it's a remarkable achievement. After all, Germany's only the world's fifth-richest nation, with a population of just 80m and barely any history of footballing achievement apart from four previous World Cup wins, three 2nd places and four 3rd places, and three European Championship wins and three 2nd places. That must be quite some Generalplan. |
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| Micky | Jul 16 2014, 11:22 AM Post #100 |
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'Germany' have never won a world cup. And certainly not with the world's 5th biggest economy or an 80m population. So I'm going to disallow that one. |
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| litljortindan2 | Jul 16 2014, 12:03 PM Post #101 |
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Argentina defended so well apart from at the goal. Let down by their forwards though. If Brazil had kept it to 4-0 at half time then maybe they could have managed some sort of come back. They did attack quite well at the start of the second half. Strange that Luiz was getting blamed for the first goal of the seven. He seemed to me to be the only player to spot the danger from Muller. Maicon seemed to redeem himself a bit in an attacking sense but was woeful as a defender as was Dante, in the 7-1 at least. France, Belgium and Netherlands all a bit unlucky imo. |
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| vvhatsthatonyourback | Jul 16 2014, 12:59 PM Post #102 |
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Sure, they could rely on their relative size and strength to bring them back to the top. It would probably have worked eventually and intermittently, even though a few more years of the dire stuff they saw in the late 1990's and early 2000's may have occurred. However, they had the nerve and confidence to change a system that wasn't even producing terrible results (2002 losing finalists, multiple semi-finalists) but wasn't producing the results or the style they wanted. It's admirable that they chose to improve something that wasn't obviously broken but merely sub-optimal, took the long view and saw it through without panicking. Sarcastically citing evidence of past triumphs in the 50's and 70's as reason to be sceptical about the achievement is about as relevant as citing World War wins in 1918 and 1945 as reasons for the union being good for Scotland in the future. |
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