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Managerial Merry Go Round 2014; Lennons depart...
Topic Started: May 22 2014, 11:22 AM (2,432 Views)
Naebody
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Jun 12 2014, 07:29 AM
Anyone else rather disappointed by Terry Butcher's sacking at Hibs?

I quite liked him - he seemed a decent guy unafraid to speak his mind, and he's got a great record at Motherwell and Inverness. Aside from the obviously calamitous decision of miscalculating how likely Hibs were to be relegated before telling half his squad he thought they were shite and would be punted ASAP, isn't he worth persevering with? It's not as if he's needed any money at all when at previous clubs.
If we'd just been relegated into a league containing Rangers and Hearts, but also Aloa and Dumbarton, then Butcher would be my preferred choice as manager. He's not going to be inspirational or forward thinking, of course, but he's going to know how to fight. Also, he seems able to shout at people a lot without being entirely dislikeable in the press conferences afterwards.

Who are they going for instead? Has Coyle been mentioned?
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Jun 12 2014, 08:56 AM
vvhatsthatonyourback
Jun 12 2014, 07:29 AM
Anyone else rather disappointed by Terry Butcher's sacking at Hibs?

I quite liked him - he seemed a decent guy unafraid to speak his mind, and he's got a great record at Motherwell and Inverness. Aside from the obviously calamitous decision of miscalculating how likely Hibs were to be relegated before telling half his squad he thought they were shite and would be punted ASAP, isn't he worth persevering with? It's not as if he's needed any money at all when at previous clubs.
If we'd just been relegated into a league containing Rangers and Hearts, but also Aloa and Dumbarton, then Butcher would be my preferred choice as manager. He's not going to be inspirational or forward thinking, of course, but he's going to know how to fight. Also, he seems able to shout at people a lot without being entirely dislikeable in the press conferences afterwards.

Who are they going for instead? Has Coyle been mentioned?
Yup, I agree. Of course, we don't know what he said in that meeting with Dempster, but he's got a track record of getting good to great results from limited resources.

Unless Hibs are planning to outspend The Ibrox Club, I can't make sense of him being binned.

I await the appointment of his replacement with interest.
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vvhatsthatonyourback
Jun 12 2014, 09:51 AM
Naebody
Jun 12 2014, 08:56 AM
vvhatsthatonyourback
Jun 12 2014, 07:29 AM
Anyone else rather disappointed by Terry Butcher's sacking at Hibs?

I quite liked him - he seemed a decent guy unafraid to speak his mind, and he's got a great record at Motherwell and Inverness. Aside from the obviously calamitous decision of miscalculating how likely Hibs were to be relegated before telling half his squad he thought they were shite and would be punted ASAP, isn't he worth persevering with? It's not as if he's needed any money at all when at previous clubs.
If we'd just been relegated into a league containing Rangers and Hearts, but also Aloa and Dumbarton, then Butcher would be my preferred choice as manager. He's not going to be inspirational or forward thinking, of course, but he's going to know how to fight. Also, he seems able to shout at people a lot without being entirely dislikeable in the press conferences afterwards.

Who are they going for instead? Has Coyle been mentioned?
Yup, I agree. Of course, we don't know what he said in that meeting with Dempster, but he's got a track record of getting good to great results from limited resources.

Unless Hibs are planning to outspend The Ibrox Club, I can't make sense of him being binned.

I await the appointment of his replacement with interest.
C'mon we've all seen it happen so many times before. Chairman under extreme pressure. New Chief exec having to show that she is actually doing some thing, new broom sweeps clean and all that, Seemed obvious that Butch would be the fall guy.

Personally think Hibs woulda been better giving Butcher at least until the turn of the year in a league where they are gonna have to bite and scratch for every point. Hibs have been a basket case on field for years and its obvious now that we had a near miss wi Fenlon..phew!

Thankfully its not our problem
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Michael Stewart (who still knows quite a lot of the coaches at the club and does often speak sense) was very critical of his methods on Radio Scotland the other night, saying his old school methods had destroyed the confidence of some of the talented youngsters at the club and drained them mentally.

Maybe his methods work on experienced, battle hardened pros, and youngsters used to his ways, but it's evident quite a few thought he was the wrong fit for Hibs.
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Oh, right. The deadwood are complaining because Butcher tried to cut deadwood. But not because they're deadwood, of course, but because it affected the saplings. Won't somebody think of the saplings?

It's pretty clear that Butcher's strategy backfired. But bear in mind that, if a fourth official had added three minutes of extra time rather than four, he'd still have the job he was in too much of a rush to get on with. Sacking him post relegation looks more like a punishment than a strategy.
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Ex United winger Alan Irvine (the wee one, not The Log) is appointed the new manager of West Brom.
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Jun 12 2014, 01:39 PM
Oh, right. The deadwood are complaining because Butcher tried to cut deadwood. But not because they're deadwood, of course, but because it affected the saplings. Won't somebody think of the saplings?

It's pretty clear that Butcher's strategy backfired. But bear in mind that, if a fourth official had added three minutes of extra time rather than four, he'd still have the job he was in too much of a rush to get on with. Sacking him post relegation looks more like a punishment than a strategy.
Don't think that was quite the situation Naebs, the insiders he was talking to appeared to be coaches still involved at at the club (at a lower playing level) after Butcher had put his methods in place.

Say an old school manager had come in at Tannadice, put an end to our progressive playing style, destroyed the confidence of players like Gauld, Souttar and Armstrong and taken us from the middle of the table to scrape survival by the odd goal in a playoff. Would we be looking forward to the next season with him in charge.

Not sure we would do.
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If only The Celtics had waited. They could have had Del Bosque.
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Jun 14 2014, 09:17 PM
Say an old school manager had come in at Tannadice, put an end to our progressive playing style, destroyed the confidence of players like Gauld, Souttar and Armstrong and taken us from the middle of the table to scrape survival by the odd goal in a playoff. Would we be looking forward to the next season with him in charge.

Not sure we would do.
That'd be a disaster, clearly. But I'm not seeing the evidence that Hibs had that much to lose. Who are these young players whose careers have been hindered?
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Jun 14 2014, 10:01 PM
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Jun 14 2014, 09:17 PM
Say an old school manager had come in at Tannadice, put an end to our progressive playing style, destroyed the confidence of players like Gauld, Souttar and Armstrong and taken us from the middle of the table to scrape survival by the odd goal in a playoff. Would we be looking forward to the next season with him in charge.

Not sure we would do.
That'd be a disaster, clearly. But I'm not seeing the evidence that Hibs had that much to lose. Who are these young players whose careers have been hindered?
Think it was Alex Harris that Michael Stewart was referring to in particular (and perhaps to a lesser extend Sam Stanton who is also a talented player but appears to have done quite well under Butcher?) -

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/hibs-alex-harris-may-not-return-until-next-season-1-3345117

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the Scotland Under-19 cap – who made such a huge impact after earning his top-team debut last term – made five starts in a row before again coming off the bench in the recent 3-3 draw with Motherwell. However, the teenager has been dropped completely from Hibs’ matchday squad for the last two outings against Inverness Caley Thistle and Partick Thistle because of a failure to find his feet again in the Premiership.
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(Butcher) For me, you’ve got to earn the right of being in the first-team squad and obviously earn the right to be in the team, and that doesn’t come lightly.

This discussion has more background from a fans point of view (with obviously differing viewpoints as to why he wasn't performing...)

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?285708-Alex-Harris-Raheem-Sterling&p=4063532

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A coach has to reignite them, but same time, tell them that they have achieved zero........the hard work and lucrative deals are there.....but not with their current attitude

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Butcher has killed the boy. Top, top player and could be one of the best in Scotland but that manager would slaughter anyones confidence.

Full pre-season and the lad will be flying
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Jun 16 2014, 11:36 AM
Think it was Alex Harris that Michael Stewart was referring to in particular ....
That's odd. I'd thought Butcher played the kids and suffered as a result. Harris started in the playoff didn't he? So did Cummings, Handling and Stanton.

This kind of stuff does tend to surface when you're bottom of the league. If we'd been fighting for survival when Gauld had the growth spurt that disconnected his brain from his feet, I'm sure we'd have internet geniuses saying McNamara had ruined him.
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Jun 16 2014, 12:40 PM
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Think it was Alex Harris that Michael Stewart was referring to in particular ....
That's odd. I'd thought Butcher played the kids and suffered as a result. Harris started in the playoff didn't he? So did Cummings, Handling and Stanton.

This kind of stuff does tend to surface when you're bottom of the league. If we'd been fighting for survival when Gauld had the growth spurt that disconnected his brain from his feet, I'm sure we'd have internet geniuses saying McNamara had ruined him.
Think he played the kids (at least some of them in certain games) because he had little choice left after alienating many of the senior players like Kevin Thomson and James McPake and failing to bring in adequate replacements in January.

As you say the stress of fighting for survival will be a challenge for any player (young and old) and not everybody reacts well to it regardless of how they are handled, but just thought it was interesting to hear how strongly Michael Stewart felt about his handling of a few of the talented young players at the club.
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So, Hibs went for Alan Stubbs.

Could be a decent appointment, given his coaching experience has been under 2 very good club Managers. He'll be up for the games against Sevco Rovers at least.
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Think Stubbs is a bit of a gamble. He might do well, he might not. A experienced manager obviously didn't work last time, but just to get them our of the division asap, experience might have been a good one.
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I can see your point about experience Set, though I'm not sure the calibre of experienced Manager they could attract currently would be that impressive anyway?

Given the vast majority of managerial appointments don't really work out anyway, if I was a Hibs fan I'd probably be happy that the club have thrown the dice in the hope they can unearth another Tony Mowbray.
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