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| Naebody | Jul 24 2014, 12:56 PM Post #151 |
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I'll ask him when he turns up on my Tinder. Incidentally, it's not beyond the wit of a football chairman to agree a player transfer using -- for example -- a £1 downpayment and a £2,999,999 loan between the clubs that'd be cancelled if the sun rises on September 1, 2015. Such contractual tricksiness might annoy the bank waiting for its cut -- but in that it's no longer United's bank, who cares? That's why I continue to believe the debt deal, as reported, is a nonsense. |
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| Morvant's Finest | Jul 24 2014, 02:15 PM Post #152 |
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Q1) I'd be more willing to believe the bank just worked on the assumption that Utd had a number of saleable assets and so we were bound to get a decent offer worth accepting before the end of August 2015. The deal to Sporting Lisbon came completely out of the blue (even with Cathro coaching at Rio Ave), is it likely that such a massive, agreed deal, could have flown so far under radar that it avoided even being mentioned in the press or on fan forums? I'm not so sure. Q2) Who can tell....but the club statement from the time at least seems to indicate a "reducing percentage share" is due as time passes:
Q3) a) Almost certainly, though the lack of details does leave quite a bit of room for speculation.... |
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| Naebody | Jul 24 2014, 05:35 PM Post #153 |
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I have a few problems with that. 1. Banks don't work on assumptions. They work on probabilities. We've been asked to believe the bank agreed to swap £4m for £2m and another coming £2m on probability of "dunno". I don't believe such a deal is plausible. 2. The "reducing percentage" thing is the kicker to that conclusion. It makes no sense either for the buyer or seller, for reasons banged on about at length already. 3. The deal from Sporting came out of the blue for Gauld, certainly, who only learned of it on his first day return to training. That suggests to me the club was keeping it secret, for whatever reason. Doesn't that seem a bit strange? Usually, when you get a bid for a player, you advertise it in expectation that someone else will beat it. Instead, United agreed a price in secret without consulting the player, who was then bundled into a sack and put on a plane as soon as he turned up for work. So when was the price actually agreed? Why should we assume it was in the summer (when Gauld's form was bogging) rather than in the winter (when Gauld's form was outstanding?)? And, more to the point, why was a price pre-agreed in this peculiar fashion? Under normal circumstances, what does United gain from doing things this way? Perhaps I'll take up whittling. |
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| TheDean | Jul 24 2014, 07:46 PM Post #154 |
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ALLEGEDLY CALICO
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And in other news Scott Allan has signed for Hibs -2year deal |
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| Tom_Boland | Jul 24 2014, 08:55 PM Post #155 |
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Just been on Sky Sport News that a fee has been agreed between Hull Sh1tty and Dundee United for Robie. Gutted if truth be told. |
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| Morvant's Finest | Jul 24 2014, 09:47 PM Post #156 |
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Tommy McLean
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Just read that Tom, gutted as well, the figures quoted are £2M plus add-ons. If that's correct think it massively undervalues him. There are only 2 upsides, it could indicate the club are actually getting a decent percentage of the fee (hence why we are keen to sell now), and he might prove to be an absolute steal in Fantasy Football..... |
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| TheDean | Jul 24 2014, 09:56 PM Post #157 |
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ALLEGEDLY CALICO
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Life goes on. This time last year no-one knew diddly squat about Robbo. now he's making us a fortune. the business model is working. so cheer up.
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| Setenza | Jul 24 2014, 10:05 PM Post #158 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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I'd hope we'll get a few decent add ons. In the end, I think it's not a bad bit of business, even if it leaves us with a rather large hole in defense we'll struggle to fill. It's good for him and following Gauld, again shows we're the club to come to to progress in the game. If Telfer or Spittal do as well as Robertson, then we'll be in a good place all round. |
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| Tom_Boland | Jul 24 2014, 10:31 PM Post #159 |
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Not only is that a gross undervalue, 2M is a pittance to an EPL Club. |
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| reekie | Jul 24 2014, 10:35 PM Post #160 |
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I really, really hoped we'd hang on to him this season. Hull may be great for him but they're likely to struggle, change manager, get relegated and he'll get lost in the Championship. I'm on a downer. Can you tell? Good luck though, Andy. Hope you rock it! |
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| Cobardon | Jul 24 2014, 11:33 PM Post #161 |
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It is, at that. But that's how the world rolls...bottom line is that anyone playing in Scotland (or any other 'Mickey Mouse' league) will be grossly undervalued in the biggest leagues. I suspect a factor in it is that Robertson himself wants to move...it's ok saying he's level headed and not after money and all that, but you'd say as a neutral he'd be crazy not to want to play in the EPL against some of the world's best. It's not too far fetched to suggest if he does well at that level (and I suspect he can) he may even be looking at Shaw-like cash a year or two down the line the way cash is thrown about down there. Also, we need to prove to all the young guys we've got -and are going to get- that we aren't going to hold them back when bigger clubs come calling. He's certainly looked too good for our level this past season and we can only wish him well. I look forward to the Match of the Day highlights proclaiming him as one of the 'finds' of the season. |
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| Setenza | Jul 25 2014, 08:28 AM Post #162 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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Another clue on the deal structures comes from Spence.
So the bank commitment to get money must be maxed out or satisfied fully. Also:
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| Morvant's Finest | Jul 25 2014, 08:29 AM Post #163 |
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Tommy McLean
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Slightly more encouraging news re the fee in the Tully:Moving on, how many games has Paul Dixon played for Huddersfield recently.... |
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| Morvant's Finest | Jul 25 2014, 08:46 AM Post #164 |
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Tommy McLean
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Thanks for the update Set, can't say that's not encouraging news going forward. Especially the news about GMS. Given the publicly stated details below, can we assume the bank has received £4.1M - £1.45M = £2.65M from the Robertson (£2-3M) and Gauld (£2-3M) deals? So they've managed to recover just £600,000 less than the full value of the debt (which doesn't take into account the annual interest payments of course)?
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| vvhatsthatonyourback | Jul 25 2014, 09:09 AM Post #165 |
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That's a big gap at left back we have now. Well done A-Rob and club for a good deal all round. |
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