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Cup final tickets; Another battle with the SFA
Topic Started: Apr 18 2014, 09:35 PM (4,077 Views)
Conan the Destroyer
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Boo hiss - shambles.

SFA - why aren't concessions available in all sections? Why is there no family section?
United - why sell an unlimited number of tickets per season ticket? There are now lots of season ticket holders with kids who have to pay £35 a head. Anecdotal evidence suggests people have been seen buying 100 tickets at a time in the shop. And finally, why is it £2.25 per ticket for postage?

I don't mind being a mug, but I'd rather it was my decision.
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I wonder how many of them are people who needed £10 tickets and how many are folk who fancied saving £7?
Nothing wrong with being frugal but the pricing structure encourages people to take up space in the concessions area unnecessarily.

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16,000 in 2 hours is 133 tickets per minute, which is some going. Even if supporters groups were taking understandably large amounts as part of this, it still seems a lot.

It seems you can collect them rather than pay the £2.25, so at least that saved some money.

Having a panic rush for a game where we won't sell out the stadium seems like poor planning.
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Apr 28 2014, 01:54 PM

It seems you can collect them rather than pay the £2.25, so at least that saved some money.
If you live within £2.25's worth of travel of the ground.

Actually, my Dad's picking mine up, but I'm Pastor Niemoller on this issue.
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Have I bored everyone with my theory on why ticket touts should be legalised rather than criminalised? This is a good example of why.

So the cheap seats were mispriced relative to the expensive seats and the former sold out instantly, meaning a lot of people now hold a lot of cheap-seat tickets who don't want them. They'll be sold on. That means people now have the option of calling in a favour from a mate, giving a premium to the guy down the pub or getting bummed by some chancer on eBay. It's hugely inefficient.

Here's what should happen.

There should be an official secondary market in tickets where anyone can sell what they've bought. The SFA could act as the broker and take a small cut off each transaction. Anyone who wants a ticket just has to pay the market price. People are welcome to buy in the initial ticket sale to speculate, they just can't rely on asymmetric price discovery to extract their premium.

Okay, a market approach has a few drawbacks. But at least it gets the tickets to the people who want them with the minimum of friction. I've never understood why anyone should think the current system is better.
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Apr 28 2014, 05:27 PM
Have I bored everyone with my theory on why ticket touts should be legalised rather than criminalised? This is a good example of why.

So the cheap seats were mispriced relative to the expensive seats and the former sold out instantly, meaning a lot of people now hold a lot of cheap-seat tickets who don't want them. They'll be sold on. That means people now have the option of calling in a favour from a mate, giving a premium to the guy down the pub or getting bummed by some chancer on eBay. It's hugely inefficient.

Here's what should happen.

There should be an official secondary market in tickets where anyone can sell what they've bought. The SFA could act as the broker and take a small cut off each transaction. Anyone who wants a ticket just has to pay the market price. People are welcome to buy in the initial ticket sale to speculate, they just can't rely on asymmetric price discovery to extract their premium.

Okay, a market approach has a few drawbacks. But at least it gets the tickets to the people who want them with the minimum of friction. I've never understood why anyone should think the current system is better.
That system ends up being how many superbowl tickets end up being sold in any state where it's legal to resell. And it has many advantages.
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United's approach (since 2010) of letting season ticket holders distribute tickets has, by and large, worked perhaps. In a sense, I'm not fussed this time around once again, as I'll get the two seats I seek in the north stand later this week (why don't they let us have the hospitality seats too - they're rather comfy as I recall from having sat in one in 2009). Being 125 miles away from Dundee I have retained Arabzone and lottery subscriptions to be on some sort of priority list for tickets (which United has now abandoned it seems without announcing it). Perhaps I should give up those two subs this summer.

The folks I feel sorry for are those who have kids and are not season ticket holders (and are not even acquainted with season ticket holders) and who now have to pay £35 a seat for weans in the north stand (or, God forbid, the Main Stand). Maybe such folk don't exist - I don't know.

Anyway, £70 for two seats is little compared to the Perthshire boutique hotel I've booked for two nights where the comfort and wine cellar (on the second night) will ease any agony of S May scoring a hat-trick to defeat us.
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Hamish
Apr 28 2014, 07:45 PM
The folks I feel sorry for are those who have kids and are not season ticket holders (and are not even acquainted with season ticket holders) and who now have to pay £35 a seat for weans in the north stand (or, God forbid, the Main Stand). Maybe such folk don't exist - I don't know.

Anyway, £70 for two seats is little compared to the Perthshire boutique hotel I've booked for two nights where the comfort and wine cellar (on the second night) will ease any agony of S May scoring a hat-trick to defeat us.
How about those of us with kids and season tickets who are being forced to pay thru the nose because someone thought it fair be reasonable to allow someone to buy 23 concessions with one voucher.
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Coiple of points. My 2 penxe worth.

Tickets should have been sold at Lower / Upper tier prices rather like they are at Tannadice. You pay the lower price in the Lower tier, and you pay the HIGHER price if you want to sit in the UPPER tier. But what a fair price is, I've no phuckin idea.

The quota for the concession price tickets is a phuckin disgrace. Kids and OAPs should only be paying the concession price irrespective of where they are sitting.

Regarding the suggestion about Season-Ticket holders buying a 100 tickets, then selling them on, or not using them, and preventing other folk from getting a cheaper ticket and/or a seat, I dont agree. The vast majority of Season-Ticket holders buying multiple tickets, are most probably for the 40 folk on their bus.
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Apr 29 2014, 07:52 AM
Regarding the suggestion about Season-Ticket holders buying a 100 tickets, then selling them on, or not using them, and preventing other folk from getting a cheaper ticket and/or a seat, I dont agree. The vast majority of Season-Ticket holders buying multiple tickets, are most probably for the 40 folk on their bus.
Given all cheap(er) tickets seem to have gone within two hours, how many actual season ticket holders do you think got a cheap(er) ticket? I know plenty that didn't.

I was certainly prevented from getting a cheaper seat.
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Well at least 10,500 non-season ticket holders got a cheap ticket ahead of me.


However, I did want sit pitch side and don't mind paying a little extra for that ticket. It's the kids tickets that seem absurd.
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Conan the Destroyer
Apr 29 2014, 08:31 AM
Tom_Boland
Apr 29 2014, 07:52 AM
Regarding the suggestion about Season-Ticket holders buying a 100 tickets, then selling them on, or not using them, and preventing other folk from getting a cheaper ticket and/or a seat, I dont agree. The vast majority of Season-Ticket holders buying multiple tickets, are most probably for the 40 folk on their bus.
Given all cheap(er) tickets seem to have gone within two hours, how many actual season ticket holders do you think got a cheap(er) ticket? I know plenty that didn't.

I was certainly prevented from getting a cheaper seat.
For what ir's worth Conan, I actually agree and sympathise with you. On the 40 seater bus I'm going on, there are a number of Season Ticket holders, including myself. I got my own Ticket and that of my son in law, who's never been to Celtic Park, and he wanted to sit in the Main/North stand, therefore we intended to buy the dearer tickets beforehand which is what we got.

Regarding the other Season Ticket holders on the bus, only some of whom I know. From what Im told, they purchased the Tickets in batches of 5 or 6 for the folk they're going with.

Given that we've sold 16k Tickets, then if every Season Ticket holder (roughly 5000) had been able to use their voucher equally, then they wouldve been able to buy 3 Tickets each, which is clearly not what has happened.

More specifically because of the ridiculous situation with the concession Tickets for Kids/OAPs, I know a small number of families who are now not going. eg. 5 x 35 = £175 instead of (2 x 28) + (3 × 10) = £86.
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Isn't it the case that the North Stand will be allocated as needed if the club sells out its current allocation?

The club has sold out of concession tickets. So why not allocate more concession tickets in the North Stand?

What am I missing here?
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Naebody
Apr 29 2014, 02:08 PM
Isn't it the case that the North Stand will be allocated as needed if the club sells out its current allocation?

The club has sold out of concession tickets. So why not allocate more concession tickets in the North Stand?

What am I missing here?
Concession tickets only available in the Lisbon Lions Stand because, er, the SFA say so.
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Conan the Destroyer
Apr 29 2014, 02:23 PM
Concession tickets only available in the Lisbon Lions Stand because, er, the SFA say so.
Has the SFA specifically said that? And if so, has it given a reason?
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