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What is going to go wrong?; Too cheery for Arabs right now.
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reekie	Jan 26 2016, 11:51 AM Post #106
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	Setenza Jan 26 2016, 10:30 AM Forget the boring battles, the real fun is to be had just further north, where the dragon was killed. Slain by the father of the nine maidens! It's surprising how few people know that story, considering there's a dragon on the City coat of arms and a bloody great statue in the city centre! I was curious about Dog Bank too. Particularly as I presumed it was a sand-bank and thought, "how can a sand-bank have a burn running through it?"! edit - actually, something was bothering me about that dragon story, so I checked. It wasn't slain by the maidens' father, it was slain by Martin. Also, they're Wyverns, not dragons, apparently... Edited by reekie, Jan 26 2016, 11:56 AM.



yasser	Jan 26 2016, 11:59 AM Post #107
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,250 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: November 15, 2010	Lots of sandbanks attached to the shore have burns running through them. The sandbanks in the River Tay all have names. Some obvious like 'Middle Bank' and some more obscure like 'Carthagena Bank' Edit to say that Dog bank might be named after Dogger, a type of old fishing vessel. Edited by yasser, Jan 26 2016, 12:03 PM.



yasser	Jan 26 2016, 12:08 PM Post #108
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,250 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: November 15, 2010	reekie Jan 26 2016, 11:51 AM Setenza Jan 26 2016, 10:30 AM Forget the boring battles, the real fun is to be had just further north, where the dragon was killed. Slain by the father of the nine maidens! It's surprising how few people know that story, considering there's a dragon on the City coat of arms and a bloody great statue in the city centre! I was curious about Dog Bank too. Particularly as I presumed it was a sand-bank and thought, "how can a sand-bank have a burn running through it?"! edit - actually, something was bothering me about that dragon story, so I checked. It wasn't slain by the maidens' father, it was slain by Martin. Also, they're Wyverns, not dragons, apparently... That's another story we got at school Martine was a local knight who had the hots for one of the farmers daughters. Chased the dragon from the well it came out of and finally slew the beast up near the hills. There's stone in the middle of field called Martine's stone where the deed is supposed to have been done. The locals supposedly urged him on shouting Strak (strike) Martine, thus we have Strathmartine Road in Dundee, runs from the top of the Hilltown all the way out to the Sidlaws



zico	Jan 26 2016, 12:22 PM Post #109
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,127 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: December 26, 2011	Any more gems? I'm beginning to love this old Dundee history lark. Menzieshill, was it farmland or what?



Cobardon	Jan 26 2016, 01:34 PM Post #110
Uncle Smurf Posts: 1,768 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: September 12, 2010	yasser Jan 26 2016, 12:08 PM reekie Jan 26 2016, 11:51 AM Setenza Jan 26 2016, 10:30 AM Forget the boring battles, the real fun is to be had just further north, where the dragon was killed. Slain by the father of the nine maidens! It's surprising how few people know that story, considering there's a dragon on the City coat of arms and a bloody great statue in the city centre! I was curious about Dog Bank too. Particularly as I presumed it was a sand-bank and thought, "how can a sand-bank have a burn running through it?"! edit - actually, something was bothering me about that dragon story, so I checked. It wasn't slain by the maidens' father, it was slain by Martin. Also, they're Wyverns, not dragons, apparently... That's another story we got at school Martine was a local knight who had the hots for one of the farmers daughters. Chased the dragon from the well it came out of and finally slew the beast up near the hills. There's stone in the middle of field called Martine's stone where the deed is supposed to have been done. The locals supposedly urged him on shouting Strak (strike) Martine, thus we have Strathmartine Road in Dundee, runs from the top of the Hilltown all the way out to the Sidlaws A strath is of course a valley, so the last part about 'strike' is a bit fanciful. (Unlike the rest, clearly). A Pictish stone came from there too, with a pretty cool swimming beast. Edited by Cobardon, Jan 26 2016, 01:35 PM.



yasser	Jan 26 2016, 01:55 PM Post #111
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,250 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: November 15, 2010	Cobardon Jan 26 2016, 01:34 PM yasser Jan 26 2016, 12:08 PM reekie Jan 26 2016, 11:51 AM Setenza Jan 26 2016, 10:30 AM Forget the boring battles, the real fun is to be had just further north, where the dragon was killed. Slain by the father of the nine maidens! It's surprising how few people know that story, considering there's a dragon on the City coat of arms and a bloody great statue in the city centre! I was curious about Dog Bank too. Particularly as I presumed it was a sand-bank and thought, "how can a sand-bank have a burn running through it?"! edit - actually, something was bothering me about that dragon story, so I checked. It wasn't slain by the maidens' father, it was slain by Martin. Also, they're Wyverns, not dragons, apparently... That's another story we got at school Martine was a local knight who had the hots for one of the farmers daughters. Chased the dragon from the well it came out of and finally slew the beast up near the hills. There's stone in the middle of field called Martine's stone where the deed is supposed to have been done. The locals supposedly urged him on shouting Strak (strike) Martine, thus we have Strathmartine Road in Dundee, runs from the top of the Hilltown all the way out to the Sidlaws A strath is of course a valley, so the last part about 'strike' is a bit fanciful. (Unlike the rest, clearly). A Pictish stone came from there too, with a pretty cool swimming beast. Nice stone but that isn't Martine's stone. Bugger still can't get links to work. Where's Findus when you need him? anyway google stone Martin animal and you'll find it.



reekie	Jan 26 2016, 01:59 PM Post #112
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	While we're in that area... Downfield was given it's name by the man who owned the land that the village was built on. (Or rather, his wife chose the name for him) He made his living selling feathers and down but, rather than use his own name for this new area, he narrowed the choice to Featherfield or Downfield. His wife chose Downfield.



vvhatsthatonyourback	Jan 26 2016, 02:10 PM Post #113
wild eyed Posts: 1,441 Group: Members Member #131 Joined: January 27, 2014	reekie Jan 26 2016, 01:59 PM While we're in that area... Downfield was given it's name by the man who owned the land that the village was built on. (Or rather, his wife chose the name for him) He made his living selling feathers and down but, rather than use his own name for this new area, he narrowed the choice to Featherfield or Downfield. His wife chose Downfield. F^cking call my bluff bollocks. It's a field that was down from wherever the person having to name the field was standing at the time. Edited by vvhatsthatonyourback, Jan 26 2016, 02:11 PM.



Naebody	Jan 26 2016, 02:39 PM Post #114
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	reekie Jan 26 2016, 11:51 AM Also, they're Wyverns, not dragons, apparently... At risk of being pedantic about cryptozoology, a wyvern is surely a type of dragon rather than a distinct species. Neither history nor cultural norms offer any consistency on the number of legs that should be attached to a dragon; see, for example, the excellent two-legged example found at Caulonia. (If anyone wants a rambling conversation about whether dragon mythology stems from Chinese folk in 300BC digging up dinosaur skeletons and thinking, "wow, wtf?", it might require a new thread. I suggest the Partick Thistle one.)



yasser	Jan 26 2016, 02:56 PM Post #115
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,250 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: November 15, 2010	vvhatsthatonyourback Jan 26 2016, 02:10 PM reekie Jan 26 2016, 01:59 PM While we're in that area... Downfield was given it's name by the man who owned the land that the village was built on. (Or rather, his wife chose the name for him) He made his living selling feathers and down but, rather than use his own name for this new area, he narrowed the choice to Featherfield or Downfield. His wife chose Downfield. F^cking call my bluff bollocks. It's a field that was down from wherever the person having to name the field was standing at the time. Well the original was Mericmuir. There is a Mericmuir Gardens just off the corrupted name Americanmuir Road. Legend has it (back to legends again) that this corruption came about because there was a sawmill at the end of the road (Macalpine Road end) that was owned and run by an American.



Cobardon	Jan 26 2016, 03:19 PM Post #116
Uncle Smurf Posts: 1,768 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: September 12, 2010	Naebody Jan 26 2016, 02:39 PM reekie Jan 26 2016, 11:51 AM Also, they're Wyverns, not dragons, apparently... At risk of being pedantic about cryptozoology, a wyvern is surely a type of dragon rather than a distinct species. Neither history nor cultural norms offer any consistency on the number of legs that should be attached to a dragon; see, for example, the excellent two-legged example found at Caulonia. (If anyone wants a rambling conversation about whether dragon mythology stems from Chinese folk in 300BC digging up dinosaur skeletons and thinking, "wow, wtf?", it might require a new thread. I suggest the Partick Thistle one.) Well, I suggest we move it there once the Thistle game is actually done. The book I've read on this very subject is by Adrienne Mayor. The First Fossil Hunters deals not only with the Chinese but the near east and Greek myths springing from fossils. An excellent read, actually. Fascinating stuff. I suggest we've all been fooled, and rather than being a living man Gavin Gunning is actually the fossil of a creature from the Cretinacious period.



reekie	Jan 26 2016, 03:27 PM Post #117
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	vvhatsthatonyourback Jan 26 2016, 02:10 PM reekie Jan 26 2016, 01:59 PM While we're in that area... Downfield was given it's name by the man who owned the land that the village was built on. (Or rather, his wife chose the name for him) He made his living selling feathers and down but, rather than use his own name for this new area, he narrowed the choice to Featherfield or Downfield. His wife chose Downfield. F^cking call my bluff bollocks. It's a field that was down from wherever the person having to name the field was standing at the time. No, seriously! My dad's a teacher in that area and so is always finding different projects for his classes, which he tries to keep local. And that one is most definitely true.



Naebody	Jan 26 2016, 04:39 PM Post #118
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	reekie Jan 26 2016, 03:27 PM No, seriously! My dad's a teacher in that area and so is always finding different projects for his classes, which he tries to keep local. And that one is most definitely true. Detail here. I'm not going to say it's accurate detail, mind. (Personally, I'd like some proof that "down" to mean feathers was in common usage in the early 1800s. Does anyone have a proper dictionary handy?)



Hamish	Jan 26 2016, 05:15 PM Post #119
Ian McCall Posts: 786 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 20, 2010	Naebody Jan 26 2016, 04:39 PM (Personally, I'd like some proof that "down" to mean feathers was in common usage in the early 1800s. Does anyone have a proper dictionary handy?) Middle English origin, according to the Shorter OED. From Old Norse dunn, Low German dune and German daune. One for this week's team meeting to discuss, perhaps.



reekie	Jan 26 2016, 05:40 PM Post #120
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	Naebody Jan 26 2016, 04:39 PM reekie Jan 26 2016, 03:27 PM No, seriously! My dad's a teacher in that area and so is always finding different projects for his classes, which he tries to keep local. And that one is most definitely true. Detail here. I'm not going to say it's accurate detail, mind. (Personally, I'd like some proof that "down" to mean feathers was in common usage in the early 1800s. Does anyone have a proper dictionary handy?) Psh! It was in The Courier. What more proof do you need?! Interesting to note that the NLS maps of these areas are all under the Forfarshire banner...

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