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| Conan the Destroyer | Apr 23 2013, 11:23 AM Post #46 |
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I prefer it when we're pish
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Er, Dear The Sun, it has been established that nobody offered anything like £600k for Craig Conway. |
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| Skeletor | Apr 23 2013, 11:24 AM Post #47 |
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Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe
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Move over Mad Vlad, let the shit slinging begin. |
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| findus | Apr 23 2013, 01:10 PM Post #48 |
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Jerry Kerr
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Given the context, that Phil McTaggert has a proper punchable rat face. Barry Douglas and Danny Swanson (MotM in his recent turn out, btw) are also on their books. |
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| gordonthearab | Apr 23 2013, 06:02 PM Post #49 |
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Craig Brewster
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We should sell Johnny boy as soon as he is fit and we can make some money from him. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 23 2013, 06:43 PM Post #50 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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Boil him down for glue. Lucky escape for you, GMS. Don't think think I won't be applying you from a tube at some point though. Enjoy your reprieve. |
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| TheDean | Apr 23 2013, 09:21 PM Post #51 |
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ALLEGEDLY CALICO
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Justle has denied asking to leave United on Twitter this evening- said he wouldn't do that to a club that had given him so much. |
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| Setenza | Apr 23 2013, 10:57 PM Post #52 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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I never like these statements the club makes, always seems to miss the target while saying more than they need to. |
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| Naebody | Apr 24 2013, 06:43 AM Post #53 |
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Twat
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This is true. Perhaps Derek Robertson should be filtering ST's outbursts, or possibly vice versa. Who benefits from yesterday's statement? Newspapers, largely. Russell doesn't, United doesn't and the supporters don't. That's clumsy PR. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 24 2013, 07:58 AM Post #54 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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I'm sure the club felt better getting that out. It's a fairly pathetic denial of reality. |
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| findus | Apr 24 2013, 10:47 AM Post #55 |
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Jerry Kerr
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... / inevitable symptom of the current contract-ing modus operandi and footballing financial climate. There doesn't seem to be any viable alternatives on the table either. Other than the total collapse of the game followed by a caesarean rebirth. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 24 2013, 11:25 AM Post #56 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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How about playing contracts that pay a lot at the start of the contract, reducing successively over each year of the contract? Example. Player signs 3-year contract worth £3k per week on average over the whole of the contract. In reality they get £4.5k per week in the first year, £3k in the second year, £1.5k in the third and final year. If the player is worth retaining, there is an incentive for the club to offer improved terms. Player wins, as he's already getting a high weekly wage early in his current contract, so he's better agreeing to a contract extension before his wages drop significantly. The player has a high incentive to play really well early in his contract then ask for a new contract on improved terms. If the player is all set on leaving, he'll have to either endure a final year of low wages or be easy to deal with when seeking an exit. Seems to be benefits to both parties, although the high payments at the start will hurt the club's cashflow, although that impact should be evened out if lots of players are on such contracts and are at different stages in that contract. Constructive criticism please... |
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| Conan the Destroyer | Apr 24 2013, 11:46 AM Post #57 |
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Nobody would ever sign such a contract. To make anyone sign you'd need to make the year one wage high enough to cripple the club. Then the player would want to renew after year one or else they're going to scream and scream and scream until they're sick. The World's Worst Ever Idea. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 24 2013, 12:18 PM Post #58 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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Really? Wouldn't this play into both the player's natural short term greed and natural inclination to overestimate their ability? They get the same money over the length of their contract, but they get more of it early, so if they leave on a transfer or renegotiate they have made out like bandits. What is the downside for a player? |
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| Naebody | Apr 24 2013, 12:55 PM Post #59 |
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Twat
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That's very, very clever. I've never heard of any employment contract having a built in deflator, but I can see the sense of it. Just to make it clear in my own mind. Let's say Billy signs a three-year contract worth £100,000 a year. So, Billy gets £300,000 over the life of the contract. Under the Wizzard Scheme: Billy signs a three-year contract worth £150,000, £100,000 and £50,000 per annum respectively. It is, effectively, paying forward his wages from the final year of his contract into year one. Why would Billy sign this? Well, he gets £150,000 rather than £100,00 in his first year. On a simple time-value-of-money argument, having £50,000 now is better than having it in two years. If Billy does well and earns a move within the first two years of his contract, he's effectively banking that £50k earned in year three without actually working for it. The club (hopefully) recoups that £50k via the transfer fee. If Billy does okay but not well enough to get a transfer, he can sign an extension that again pays forward into year one his wages from the final year. The club benefits from protecting resale value. If Billy does badly, he can sit tight or seek a payoff. That's the same as at the moment, except once into the final year Billy has a greater incentive to find another employer. That benefits the club and doesn't particularly disadvantage the player. I'm struggling to see any serious flaw here. The main one, I guess, is that it front-loads the risk of Billy breaking his toe or getting three years in Barlinnie. A pay-forward contract structure might also look slightly Ponzi-like, but then so are a lot of apparently legal things. Well done, Wangchung. Now watch out for the Fifa and Sky black helicopters. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 24 2013, 01:00 PM Post #60 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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OK, that's one vote each way. Next vote the decider. |
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