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The Russell catch-all transfer thread
Topic Started: Apr 20 2013, 01:07 PM (22,054 Views)
Naebody
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The Eggman
Apr 21 2013, 08:32 AM
I happen to watch matches from both leagues which I suspect is more than can be said for you. I wonder indeed if you watch matches from either league.
Do you think about me a lot, Eggs? That's flattering.

Seems to me:
1. The standard of a league is not analogous to the standard of its players.
2. Guys like Nakamura and Gatusso never looked a class apart in Scotland yet seem to have done quite well in Serie A.
3. The times I've watched Serie A (which I do, usually in Bar Italia in Soho) it's looked much less aggressive and more technically clever (for want of a better word) than the SPL's mud and guts. What I've seen of Russell makes me open-minded that his pace, composure and awareness could show up quite well. It's not a guarantee, of course, but you never get guarantees.
4. Catania's manager seems to agree with the above assessment. And, while I don't doubt your indepth knowledge of Italian football, Eggs, I'm going to suggest that the manager of Catania may know a wee bit more.
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Naebody
Apr 21 2013, 09:16 AM
The Eggman
Apr 21 2013, 08:32 AM
I happen to watch matches from both leagues which I suspect is more than can be said for you. I wonder indeed if you watch matches from either league.
Do you think about me a lot, Eggs? That's flattering.

Seems to me:
1. The standard of a league is not analogous to the standard of its players.
2. Guys like Nakamura and Gatusso never looked a class apart in Scotland yet seem to have done quite well in Serie A.
3. The times I've watched Serie A (which I do, usually in Bar Italia in Soho) it's looked much less aggressive and more technically clever (for want of a better word) than the SPL's mud and guts. What I've seen of Russell makes me open-minded that his pace, composure and awareness could show up quite well. It's not a guarantee, of course, but you never get guarantees.
4. Catania's manager seems to agree with the above assessment. And, while I don't doubt your indepth knowledge of Italian football, Eggs, I'm going to suggest that the manager of Catania may know a wee bit more.
1. The standard of a league does affect the performance of players within it. Obviously.

2. Nakamura looked far better than most players in Scotland (when he could be bothered). Gattuso was only there for a season and was still a teenager. Most Italian players develop later. Nakamura didn't do very well in Italy, either. He was nothing more than a journeyman at a club that ended up getting relegated.

3. Those times I'd guess are rare, and it's far superior on a technical and tactical level.

4. Ah, that old card. Funny that you not being an expert in most things doesn't stop you from bumping your gums about various subjects, presuming to know more than a host of commentators. I trust you'll refrain from your patronising sermons on most subjects in future.

Why don't we cut the bullshit. If Russell signs for Catania, I'll wager he doesn't stay for more than a season. How about £100.
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Come on you two - stop beating about the bush.

Bar Italia - blind date - next Sunday, tangerine & black scarves as identifiers. Drink for drink in complete silence - all conversation to be in the form of Arab League posts.
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And if Naebs wins he can collect the 100 quid directly from Skellie. :hat:
Edited by findus, Apr 21 2013, 09:44 AM.
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I'd suggest Gattuso was vastly overrated period.

Is Russell currently good enough to command a regular slot at a Seria A team, probably not.

Then again a panel of experts claimed Jason Scotland wasn't good enough for the SPL and he went on to have a very successful career at Championship level (which we would agree is better than SPL level although obviously not Seria A).

That said it would do JR good. Ian Rush returned to Liverpool a far more complete player after a season in Italy allowing him to play for far longer at the top level than he would have done perhaps otherwise.

If I was their manager would I think is he good value at £1 million or £1.5 million? I'd say he was excellent value. If he was in the second string of a EPL team (I'm thinking of Adam Morgan or Michael Ngoo at liverpool would I'd suggest JR is better than) he'd be commanding a much higher fee.

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Welcome back, Eggs. I've missed you ability to make every argument personal and then to crank your neck out so far it'd embarrass a prizefighting giraffe.

Anyway.

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1. The standard of a league does affect the performance of players within it. Obviously.

No, not obviously. You seem to think that if Messi played in the SPL he'd be a worse player. He'd probably look a worse player, on account of having 10 teammates and 11 opposition all wanting to kill him, but that's not the same thing.

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2. Nakamura looked far better than most players in Scotland (when he could be bothered). Gattuso was only there for a season and was still a teenager. Most Italian players develop later. Nakamura didn't do very well in Italy, either. He was nothing more than a journeyman at a club that ended up getting relegated.
So many caveats. So what makes Italian players "develop later" (even the ones playing outside Italy)? Is it the pasta? I bet it's the pasta.

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3. Those times I'd guess are rare, and it's far superior on a technical and tactical level.

... Why "superior"?

Look, my point is that Italian football looks to me rather different from Scottish football. Clearly the average quality of player is much better, but averages are deceptive. As for the technical superiority, what I see are shorter flurries of action and longer periods of possession. I've no idea if Russell's attributes would be useful when playing this style, but I'm prepared to believe he could cut it. You, meanwhile, are not. That, to me, seems unnecessarily and unjustifiably pessimistic.

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4. Ah, that old card. Funny that you not being an expert in most things doesn't stop you from bumping your gums about various subjects, presuming to know more than a host of commentators.
For example?

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I trust you'll refrain from your patronising sermons on most subjects in future.

Again, I'll need an example. Y'know. To mend my ways.

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Why don't we cut the bullshit.
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If Russell signs for Catania, I'll wager he doesn't stay for more than a season. How about £100.

If you like, though £100's barely worth the effort on an 18-month bet. £1,000 to United for Kids.
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Apr 21 2013, 09:43 AM
Drink for drink in complete silence - all conversation to be in the form of Arab League posts.
(Bar Italia's a coffee shop. We're going to be fucking wired.)
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For me, Russell's main issue that will stop him playing at a high level is his touch can be poor , and holding the ball up sometimes is a lost ball for the team. For us, he makes up for that with high work rate. Whether that mix works for serie a, I'm not sure. That's based on watching serie a when it was on c4.


Given the average duration of an SPL player abroad (including England) isn't that long, I'd say good chance he'll be back.
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Naebody
Apr 21 2013, 10:25 AM
whatsthatonyourback
Apr 21 2013, 09:43 AM
Drink for drink in complete silence - all conversation to be in the form of Arab League posts.
(Bar Italia's a coffee shop. We're going to be f*cking wired.)
Still works. Do it.
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Apr 21 2013, 10:21 AM
I've missed you ability to make every argument
Outstanding. Coming from the guy who makes needless comments about people's relationships with their wives (let me guess, it was a wee joke), and who also just posts further person comments like "good" to state that you'd be glad that they wouldn't be going to Sicily, your hypocrisy is amazing. Almost every post I make that you can demean, you will.

You're a smug, pompous, pretentious c*nt who loves to make things personal.

There; personal enough for you?

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your post. You've not got a clue what you're talking about. You hardly watch Serie A, or probably United, and probably just rehash something you read in the Scotsman or Courier.

There, you can assume some faux moral high ground and keep your fragile ego cushioned in delusional self-righteousness.

Happy?
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Apr 21 2013, 11:09 AM
Happy?
Yup. You?

Also: £1,000?
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"You're a smug, pompous, pretentious c*nt who loves to make things personal."

Keyboard warrioring at its' finest. :banjmp: :ban: :banjmp:

Calm down and have a :lager:

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Apr 21 2013, 12:35 PM
"You're a smug, pompous, pretentious c*nt who loves to make things personal."

Keyboard warrioring at its' finest. :banjmp: :ban: :banjmp:

Calm down and have a :lager:

Well done quoting out of context.
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Naebody
Apr 21 2013, 11:45 AM
Also: £1,000?
Only bet what you can afford to lose. I can't afford to lose £1000. See, I could be wrong, and he could be much better than I think he is.

Anyway, I don't believe for a minute you'd have been good for it.
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Apr 21 2013, 05:21 PM
Vex
Apr 21 2013, 12:35 PM
"You're a warrior who loves c*nt."

Keyboard warrioring at its' finest. :banjmp: :ban: :banjmp:

Calm down and have a :lager:

Well done quoting out of context.
Only by removing a quote from a post that is shown complete one post above, should I have quoted the whole thing and highlighted it?

I'll do it again just to annoy you now. :hat:

"Almost every post I make that you can demean, you will."

Oh the irony for someone who in the same post accuses someone else of hypocrisy.

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