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| reekie | Apr 30 2013, 11:16 PM Post #211 |
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lum raker
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Yeah, but it's just you, Naebs, 90210 and Findus drilling into this shit. With me chipping in occasionally. Oh, and Chippy. Ach, I dunno. Albariño... |
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| TheDean | Apr 30 2013, 11:21 PM Post #212 |
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ALLEGEDLY CALICO
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Hopefully might feature this Sat at least for a while |
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| Setenza | Apr 30 2013, 11:26 PM Post #213 |
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Knitting with only one needle
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It seems like front loading is/was used in NHL to get around the salary cap. With some strange 14 year deals....
Not that it's directly comparible to the proposed system here. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | May 1 2013, 07:00 AM Post #214 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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For speed, it would be better to get a clear and concise record of the objections to such a system. This will save expending time trying to resolve such objections before being told - ah! but you've misrepresented my objection, and what about X, Y & Z? There is no rush to try and get this right if rushing it means it takes longer to get it wrong. It might not work, but we'll never be able to say so if we can't even say clearly what its failings are. What are the fundamental, concise objections to this system in your own words? |
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| whatsthatonyourback | May 1 2013, 07:04 AM Post #215 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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Dear Football Club We have been thinking, and have invented a new way for you to sign players. We've not quite worked out all the details, but it is definitely much better than how you have been doing it. To hear more, please send money to Arabian2. We look for ward to hearing from you Regards The Internets. |
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| Conan the Destroyer | May 1 2013, 07:09 AM Post #216 |
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I prefer it when we're pish
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No, seriously, if it's such a f*cking brilliant idea you should have the courage of your convictions and email wee Baldy Baws about it. What's the worst that can happen? He didn't even have Scott Allan shot. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | May 1 2013, 07:24 AM Post #217 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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I thought you were out. Certainly not heard anything useful from you in this thread for quite a while, if at all. |
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| reekie | May 1 2013, 08:05 AM Post #218 |
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lum raker
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Anything yet? |
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| Naebody | May 1 2013, 09:29 AM Post #219 |
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Twat
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Pitching the idea isn't that ludicrous, you know. Generally speaking, people who run businesses take an interest in how their businesses are run. Having said that, it appears our contract negotiations have been handled exclusively by a guy who until 2009 was responsible for putting the cones on the training ground. So perhaps we may be getting ahead of ourselves. |
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| Conan the Destroyer | May 1 2013, 11:46 AM Post #220 |
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I prefer it when we're pish
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I'm assuming you're scared. |
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| Vex | May 1 2013, 05:13 PM Post #221 |
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Paul Sturrock
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I've not been following all of this thread but having just gone back over it I have just one question. Why would a player sign the type of contract proposed as opposed to what is currently on offer? How does it improve their position in future contract talks. |
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| Naebody | May 1 2013, 05:22 PM Post #222 |
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Twat
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Time motherfucking value of cunting money. The foundation of all financial transactions. Even in football.
It doesn't. The whole point is that it potentially disadvantages them in future contract talks, in exchange for unequivocally advantaging them in their immediate contract talks. That's the tradeoff. |
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| Vex | May 1 2013, 08:44 PM Post #223 |
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Not need to swear... although I can see it has been a long 15 pages. So it depends on the player and the advice he is taking. It has pros and cons. I really don't see why we have 15 pages of this. My only other musing is that would a small club like ourselves with almost continuous cash flow issues (if not issues then concerns) ever be in a position to offer this type of deal? I'm not saying we would not be able to, just worth considering I think. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | May 2 2013, 09:40 AM Post #224 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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Agreed. I've done a bit of a report already. Which is why I would like the best possible objections out there in the open. It's not a competition - there are no winners & losers - and even objections I might think are ill-founded need to be addressed - it's a matter of making the best possible proposal and fully thinking through all the implications before chucking it into daylight. I'm going to have to assume that, lacking any further input, those 3 objections I listed are it, and no further refinements on these 3 objections are out there. Which also means, if anyone wants to change their objections later, then that is too lame too late. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | May 2 2013, 09:45 AM Post #225 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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I think that is the most fundamental problem with it. Paying up front will have an impact on cashflow for the duration of the contract. The good thing about that is that the impact on cashflow is right up front and eases over time, rather than a long drag that has a strangling effect due to the inertia of players seeing out their contracts. I think there is general agreement that frontloading would reduce the number of players seeing their contracts to the end and walking away. |
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