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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 28 2013, 12:10 PM Post #136 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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Maybe it's easier to break it down into steps. Let's look at it from the player's perspective firstly. You're a young player, and it looks like you may have a lucrative career in the game, but all you've done so far is amass a handful of starts and sub appearances. You're currently on peanuts, and no other club is especially interested in you, plus you are comfy at United for now. You are 19 years old. United offer you a new contract. You've got a choice. £1k per week for 3 years £1.5k p/w in year one, £1k p/w in year two, £500 p/w in year three. Which would you prefer? |
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| reekie | Apr 28 2013, 01:48 PM Post #137 |
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I now get it. You pair (Naebs and Wassa) have the patience of saints. Thank you. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 28 2013, 01:58 PM Post #138 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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Ahem - I have the patience of a saint. He's a f*ck-sake-ing twat. Got it? |
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| Naebody | Apr 28 2013, 02:48 PM Post #139 |
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Twat
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That's true. Though I have the industry of a deviant and the continence of a bus driver. It's best to emphasise the virtues you need. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 28 2013, 03:01 PM Post #140 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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What is "the industry of a deviant"? I tip my hat to you on your claims to continence though. I too have a particular capacity in that area. I only know of one person, a Frenchwoman, who can remain continent longer than I, and she has been acclaimed for it in medical circles. |
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| findus | Apr 28 2013, 03:03 PM Post #141 |
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Jerry Kerr
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1.5k/year in year 1 2k/year in year 1 of a new contract in year 2 3k/year in year 1 on a new contract in year 3 Or leave for more money after 24-36 months, my original employers having to release me for less than my value or for free. I can see front-loading perhaps working for older players, but are a terrible idea for promising youngsters. Note that the overpaying wouldn't just be for 1 player, it would apply to all promising youngsters. That's a lot of overpaying. That's about the 4th time I've said all this only to have my breakdown ignored and just asked the same question again. As such, I'm out of the thread. Good day!
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 28 2013, 03:24 PM Post #142 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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If you're not even prepared to engage with the first step of the proposal, maybe it's best you do step out, findus. You're jumping straight ahead to the point where you see there might be a problem, but it's not clear to me you've followed the logic of the frontloading concept up to that point. That's why I'm trying to take it one step at a time to see at which point we diverge in our perception of how frontloading might work. If you don't want to do that, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing or that you're really giving it a fair hearing. ETA: And anyway, f*ck you - I just spent several hundred words trying to address your question 8 and more posts ago, as did Naebs. Yeah, f*ck you findud. Ooooh isn't it terrible nobody pays attention to what you say. Woe is you. Well, f*ck you. |
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| findus | Apr 28 2013, 03:37 PM Post #143 |
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Jerry Kerr
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As a way to give more power to United when dealing with young prospects, it does nothing and is actually worse. In my opinion. I don't see me pointing this out as 'jumping ahead', I see it as pointing out an inherent major flaw in the proposal. You're ignoring how easy it would be (and that it is what they should do) for agents and players to 'game' such a system. Is that what we're talking about? A way to give United/clubs more of the cards, taken from the players and agents, thus having a better chance of coming out financially ahead? Anyway, I'm out, as I said! Is that 3-3 overall now that reekie has been turned?
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| Naebody | Apr 28 2013, 03:39 PM Post #144 |
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Twat
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It was ignored because it makes no sense. Contracts last as long as they last. If you want a 100% pay rise in year two then you'll need to have earned it. Perhaps, very occasionally, it'll be worth it for the club to doubling your salary to secure your services for one extra year. But why assume it in all cases? What is it about a phased payment contract that makes it more likely for the player to leave (after two or three years) for less than their value? This is just fatalism seeking a rationale, right? No-one can answer your criticism as it stands because, with all due respect, it's moronic. FFS. "Industry of a deviant": seems to me that being a pervert takes a lot of work. You need to hunt out special stuff, join clubs, seek like-minded deviants, wait for hours in hedgerows, etc. Deviants are our society's uncomplaining Stakhanovites.) |
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| findus | Apr 28 2013, 03:42 PM Post #145 |
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Jerry Kerr
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You are learning, young padawan! There's a reason I gave up trying to convince people on the internets - it's a tedious medium for debate. |
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| findus | Apr 28 2013, 03:44 PM Post #146 |
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Jerry Kerr
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No, your criticisms are moronic. This is easy this!
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| whatsthatonyourback | Apr 28 2013, 03:48 PM Post #147 |
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Waldo Jeffers
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It's a tedious debating with you if you can't even bother to read a direct reply to the objections you raised. If on the other hand you are just unable to understand the issue, my sincere apologies and sympathy. Do let me know if I can restate it in simpler language, as I clearly have not made myself understood. |
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| findus | Apr 28 2013, 03:51 PM Post #148 |
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Jerry Kerr
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| Naebody | Apr 28 2013, 03:52 PM Post #149 |
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Twat
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How? Honestly, F. By explaining that you would help move forward the sum of human knowledge, because you seem to have identified a problem the rest of us cannot see. For the good of humanity, please, knock the "arguing on the internet" trope on the head for a moment (not least because this is not an argument) and please outline how the system would be gamed to the club's disadvantage. |
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| findus | Apr 28 2013, 03:57 PM Post #150 |
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Jerry Kerr
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Puh-leeease, I did read the replies. They didn't successfully address my objections. C'est la vie! I'll be back when something Russell-related happens
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