Anders Behring Breivik

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Anders Behring Breivik; Sane?
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 17 2012, 03:50 PM (3,712 Views)
Naebody	Apr 27 2012, 02:42 PM Post #61
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	The Eggman Apr 27 2012, 12:43 PM Indeed. The product of many people who often don't seem to know very basic stuff in fields they're writing about. Journalists, you mean? Yes. That's true. It's a damnable crime that organisations such as the BBC don't employ people with specialist knowledge on every possible subject. It's not good enough that they rely on people who ask questions -- often on totally different subjects every day! -- then write down the answers. Meanwhile, aren't Norwegians nice? Generally, I mean. Some aren't. Obviously.



The Eggman	Apr 27 2012, 02:54 PM Post #62
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Apr 27 2012, 02:42 PM The Eggman Apr 27 2012, 12:43 PM Indeed. The product of many people who often don't seem to know very basic stuff in fields they're writing about. Journalists, you mean? Yes. That's true. It's a damnable crime that organisations such as the BBC don't employ people with specialist knowledge on every possible subject. It's not good enough that they rely on people who ask questions -- often on totally different subjects every day! -- then write down the answers. My initial, slightly flippant point being that the BBC isn't a bastion of veracity and intelligence seems to have struck a nerve. Ah well. On a less flippant note, perhaps such a revered, professional organisation shouldn't commission articles in the first place then unless they know the journalist knows their stuff. "If it's worth doing something..." etc ps I'd hardly call researching a website for the results of a European tie with two of Europe's major clubs "specialist knowledge". Nor is getting the CV of one of the finest defenders in football history.



Naebody	Apr 27 2012, 03:45 PM Post #63
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	Oh, I just get irritated at (1) people holding organisations such as the BBC responsible for the actions of each of its employees, as if it's operating a centrally controlled robot army; and (2) people getting excited about mistakes as if they're evidence of anything other than universal human fallibility. There are lots of reasons to grumble about the BBC (Chick Young, The Balen Report, overstaffing, London-centrism, Chick Young, Don't Scare the Hare, Chick Young, etc). In the scheme of things, though, a freelancer mistaking a couple of details in website copy about something as insignificant as sport will always rate extremely lowly in my personal order of gripes.



The Eggman	Apr 27 2012, 03:52 PM Post #64
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Apr 27 2012, 03:45 PM Oh, I just get irritated at (1) people holding organisations such as the BBC responsible for the actions of each of its employees, as if it's operating a centrally controlled robot army; and (2) people getting excited about mistakes as if they're evidence of anything other than universal human fallibility. There are lots of reasons to grumble about the BBC (Chick Young, The Balen Report, overstaffing, London-centrism, Chick Young, Don't Scare the Hare, Chick Young, etc). In the scheme of things, though, a freelancer mistaking a couple of details in website copy about something as insignificant as sport will always rate extremely lowly in my personal order of gripes. Do you get irritated about people holding organisations such as Rangers responsible for the actions of each of its employees? You're creating a wee straw man there, Naebs, with the "excited" jibe. And you're making presumptions about it being a freelancer as well. So hopefully to put this to bed, I wasn't grumbling about the BBC. I was simply making comment that I take whatever the BBC states with more than a pinch of salt. Sorry I irritated you so much. Baci. Edit: I'll buy you a pint if you're in the Morpeth Arms (58 Millbank) after 6pm Edited by The Eggman, Apr 27 2012, 04:03 PM.



Cobardon	Apr 27 2012, 04:03 PM Post #65
Uncle Smurf Posts: 1,768 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: September 12, 2010	Naebody Apr 27 2012, 03:45 PM Oh, I just get irritated at (1) people holding organisations such as the BBC responsible for the actions of each of its employees, as if it's operating a centrally controlled robot army; and (2) people getting excited about mistakes as if they're evidence of anything other than universal human fallibility. There are lots of reasons to grumble about the BBC (Chick Young, The Balen Report, overstaffing, London-centrism, Chick Young, Don't Scare the Hare, Chick Young, etc). In the scheme of things, though, a freelancer mistaking a couple of details in website copy about something as insignificant as sport will always rate extremely lowly in my personal order of gripes. Aw, come on man, don't slag that work of genius. You probably mistook it for a low-brow cheapo game show but probably, like most, missed the semiotic subtext and the intriguing use of Brechtian verfremdungseffekt employed throughout. I particularly appreciated the chance to hear more of Sue Perkins, as she is so rarely utilised by the BBC . A triumph, sir, cannot be traduced in such a cavalier fashion.



findus	Apr 27 2012, 04:04 PM Post #66
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	K, that's Naebs entering at 34% on the Sanity Continuum and Eggster redeeming himself slightly, so up four points to 35%. One more lamb so we can triangulate and extrapolate early so things don't get too accurate, please, thanks. Edit: Naebs docked four points down to 30% already due to consideration of Cob's thinly veiled but convincing personal attack. Edited by findus, Apr 27 2012, 04:11 PM.



radger	Apr 27 2012, 04:09 PM Post #67
Craig Brewster Posts: 461 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: June 26, 2011	i wanna play, what score do I get?



Naebody	Apr 27 2012, 04:15 PM Post #68
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	The Eggman Apr 27 2012, 03:52 PM Do you get irritated about people holding organisations such as Rangers responsible for the actions of each of its employees? Sometimes, yes. Fining clubs for an individual's disciplinary problems, for example, always seems to me unjust even when it's Rangers. You're right though. Whoever wrote what about some German footballer may or may not have been a freelancer. I don't care overly. The only point I intended to make was that I'd be very surprised if it was Mark Thompson. Quote: I was simply making comment that I take whatever the BBC states with more than a pinch of salt. There's my problem. You interpret the (undeniable, inevitable) fact that BBC employees are not infallible as evidence that they, as a group, are untrustworthy. Dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid, dude.



The Eggman	Apr 27 2012, 04:30 PM Post #69
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Apr 27 2012, 04:15 PM There's my problem. You interpret the (undeniable, inevitable) fact that BBC employees are not infallible as evidence that they, as a group, are untrustworthy. Dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid, dude. See, there you go with the straw men thing again. It's not that they're not infallible; it's that there are so many errors that it makes me wonder what else they get wrong. On a scale of accuracy and efficiency, I don't find the BBC very high as an organisation - and since they often don't put the journo's name on the article, then I can't view each article by the individual journo. So a form of collective standard has been judged. A newspaper develops a reputation for its accuracy, leanings, editorials, etc. The newspaper content is determined by the journalists, the editor, and general direction from the owner/s. If the newspaper employs halfwits and is riddled with inaccuracies by journalists (that get through the control checking), then that newspaper, I'm afraid will become untrustworthy. The BBC is no different. Your maxim is coincidentally wrong in this context. The trustworthiness of a group is in part proportionate to the conduct/output of its individual employees. After a study, news organisation A has 10% factual inaccuracies in its articles, while news organisation B has 1% factual inaccuracies in its articles. Logically whenever I read an article from news organisation B I'm going to require less salt to pinch than I would from news organisation A. It's not a case of "news organisation A made a factual inaccuracy once, therefore I find it completely unreliable". Sheesh. Edited by The Eggman, Apr 27 2012, 04:30 PM.



Naebody	Apr 27 2012, 05:17 PM Post #70
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	The Eggman Apr 27 2012, 04:30 PM After a study, news organisation A has 10% factual inaccuracies in its articles, while news organisation B has 1% factual inaccuracies in its articles. Logically whenever I read an article from news organisation B I'm going to require less salt to pinch than I would from news organisation A. Which study? This one? Or by "study" do you mean "impression"? To retread ... Quote: fck the BBC. The amount of stuff they get wrong on subjects I know about makes me think that they get loads of stuff wrong on shit I don't know about. * Eg, that Franco Baresi won two UEFA Cups playing for Milan. And that Bayern beat Real 4-0 in the 1987 European Cup. I'm calling that as dicto simpliciter. Fallacy fallacy fallacy. And if you say "straw man" once more I'm adding a sub-category to Eggman's Law of Semantics. (Can't make it to Morpeth Arms, sorry. But if you're in Zetter Townhouse tonight then I'd be happy to buy you a Twinkle, twinkle.)



The Eggman	Apr 28 2012, 06:04 AM Post #71
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Steve Jones, of the "trick" emails? Yep, very good. Your retreading is simply a repeat that offers nothing new.



Naebody	Apr 28 2012, 06:31 AM Post #72
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	The Eggman Apr 28 2012, 06:04 AM Steve Jones, of the "trick" emails? Yep, very good. Oh god, is that some Daily Telegraph climate science conspiracy bollocks? Actually, don't answer. I'm not fussed. Time to play this card:



findus	Apr 28 2012, 07:46 AM Post #73
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	in discussion, Naebs applies rules to others that he doesn't apply to himself. Lack of empathy, -6 points, taking him dangerously near the 'borderline insane' slice of the Sanity Continuum on 24%. Radger volunteers for judgement, making him either completely insane and unaware, or completely sane and nothing to fear. Having nothing to fear in this situation is somewhat insane, so he starts out at a reasonably balanced 40% on the Sanity Continuum.



Naebody	Apr 28 2012, 08:22 AM Post #74
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	findus Apr 28 2012, 07:46 AM in discussion, Naebs applies rules to others that he doesn't apply to himself. Eg? (I only ask because I'm using this board as evidence of my sanity in an appeal against my rejection for an HGV licence.)



findus	Apr 28 2012, 09:41 AM Post #75
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Apr 28 2012, 08:22 AM findus Apr 28 2012, 07:46 AM in discussion, Naebs applies rules to others that he doesn't apply to himself. Eg? (I only ask because I'm using this board as evidence of my sanity in an appeal against my rejection for an HGV licence.) Disconnection from a reality that's already been proven, -3 points. This would have tipped you over the cusp into Borderline Insane were it not for your +3% clever faux sideways insult HGV rebound gambit balancing things out. The Sanity Continuum still has you just borderline borderline insane for the time being. Edited by findus, Apr 28 2012, 10:26 AM.


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