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Houston; Support?
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 26 2011, 09:45 AM (5,190 Views)
The Eggman	Oct 26 2011, 10:16 PM Post #31
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Oct 26 2011, 08:54 PM We have a rather North Korean view of work, what with our default criticism of "lazy" players and our worries about Houston "wasting time" on international duty. Work is not a productive in itself, so measuring it quantitatively is just dumb. It's all to do with ethics. A job is a contract between two people, and both sides must uphold their end of the contract. By taking employment you do have an ethical obligation to do the job required. However, neither side is required to do more than the contract says, and neither side should feel obligated to do more. That's true of all of us. So, if you can get the daily report filed on time and to everyone's satisfaction, it shouldn't matter if you spend an hour or two dozing off a hangover in the nearest Starbucks. And, if you score one and make two assists over the 90, it shouldn't matter if you really can't really be arsed chasing the wayward pass that's nearly certain to be heading out for a goal kick. One of my favourite football stories involves Ivan Golac in his playing days. The team (Ipswich or similar) had just been hammered, and everyone was back in the dressing room getting a bollocking from the manager. Ivan, however, was ignoring the noise and cheerily changing into his flares and kipper tie. When asked what the fck he was doing, Ivan replied that the man he'd been told to mark didn't score so that was his job done. The bollocking didn't apply to him. That's* the right attitude. It should, and does matter, if a player can do better than one goal and two assists, but doesn't because he thinks he's done his bit. It's a team game. So the player's team loses 4-3 ('hey, it's not my fault you fcks can't defend'), when they could've won 5-4 if he hadn't stopped trying halfway through the second half. Try your best. If you're not trying your best, fck off.



Skeletor	Oct 26 2011, 11:16 PM Post #32
Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe Posts: 2,157 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: September 10, 2010	The Eggman Oct 26 2011, 10:16 PM It should, and does matter, if a player can do better than one goal and two assists, but doesn't because he thinks he's done his bit. It's a team game. So the player's team loses 4-3 ('hey, it's not my fault you fcks can't defend'), when they could've won 5-4 if he hadn't stopped trying halfway through the second half. Try your best. If you're not trying your best, fck off. Just like when a team's strolling it say 3-0 then starts to stop playing. Nobody paid to see 30minutes of a match, and if you're dominating that much you should drive on to aim at racking up 12-0 or thereabouts.



Homer	Oct 27 2011, 01:15 AM Post #33
Ian McCall Posts: 640 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: September 10, 2010	I'm gonna give about 8% effort. Boo, Houstie out. Who's the dictator in charge of this place? Criticizing McCall got me a ban last time round This guy seems sensible, if a bit violent at times, which is fine with me. He likes to play passy-passy football, and seems pretty direct. There's no money to pay anybody good any more, pretty much anywhere. Once Thompson's dusted his hands of us, we'll just be some lowly shop team again. 2015 Dundee Utd 10 - 0 Threave Rovers Attendance: 876.5......?



Naebody	Oct 27 2011, 06:41 AM Post #34
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	The Eggman Oct 26 2011, 10:16 PM fck off. No, you fck off. [/effort]



Conan the Destroyer	Oct 27 2011, 07:23 AM Post #35
I prefer it when we're pish Posts: 3,265 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: September 10, 2010	whatsthatonyourback Oct 26 2011, 06:19 PM Naebody Oct 26 2011, 05:12 PM Conan the Destroyer Oct 26 2011, 05:08 PM From 33% - 42% depending on your effort in the variable period. Is that a weighted average? It sounds a bit high. It sounds like the mean rather than the median. Mean, median, mode. Who fcking cares? It's the average. Now fck off, I'm a busy man. Edited by Conan the Destroyer, Oct 27 2011, 07:24 AM.



reekie	Oct 27 2011, 08:14 AM Post #36
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	Naebody Oct 26 2011, 10:10 PM findus Oct 26 2011, 07:52 PM For arguments sake, if he were to go and we needed a replacement, which member of The A-Team in their heyday would you most like in as a replacement, and why? Now THAT's a good question. Hannibal would be the obvious choice; a charismatic leader who can bring a disparate group together and encourage them to deliver by using the sparse resources. BA's technical knowledge would be a boon to sorting out the zonal marking system, though his flight phobia's not useful in the unlikely event of European away games. Face might be handy for media relations while Murdock ... Well, we've tried that already. He won the cup but it quickly went to shit next season. In conclusion, it's a stupid question and I refuse to be drawn into this nonsense. God, I loved the A-Team! I had Face as chairman. Good-looking, suave and, given his penchant for fast cars and hand-made shoes, evidently money savvy. Hannibal's definitely our Director of Football, for the reasons outlined above, with BA left to drill those fools on the pitch into some semblance of a unit. I'd have Murdoch doing tannoy and half-time cheerleading. Actually, wasn't he always in a cheerleader's uniform in the credits? Or did I dream that...?



Setenza	Oct 27 2011, 08:40 AM Post #37
Knitting with only one needle Posts: 6,057 Group: Admin Member #7 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Oct 26 2011, 08:54 PM It's all to do with ethics. A job is a contract between two people, and both sides must uphold their end of the contract. By taking employment you do have an ethical obligation to do the job required. However, neither side is required to do more than the contract says, and neither side should feel obligated to do more. That's true of all of us. So, if you can get the daily report filed on time and to everyone's satisfaction, it shouldn't matter if you spend an hour or two dozing off a hangover in the nearest Starbucks. And, if you score one and make two assists over the 90, it shouldn't matter if you really can't really be arsed chasing the wayward pass that's nearly certain to be heading out for a goal kick. What happens if the contract says you'll work X to Y time, doing duties that the manager wants? Chasing down wayward passes might be vital to the tactics. If it's instrucitons, it's to be done.



The Eggman	Oct 27 2011, 09:01 AM Post #38
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Setenza Oct 27 2011, 08:40 AM What happens if the contract says you'll work X to Y time, doing duties that the manager wants? Chasing down wayward passes might be vital to the tactics. If it's instrucitons, it's to be done. Indeed. If a player disagree with the tactics or instructions, then they can make their feelings known. If they then aren't willing to do what the manager wants, then don't play. If the player wants to think about only himself, then play an individual sport, like tennis. Perhaps van Hooijdonk's chuffed to bit with scoring a last minute consolation to get his hat-trick, despite his side losing the match 5-3. That's not an attitude I'd want of my player if I was the manager. Most players, I suspect though, will get no pleasure (or at least very little) from scoring a belter if the game is already done. Team work's about helping your team mates. You sometimes play shit, but get helped out by them, and similar you can help other team mates get out of a hole. If someone isn't pulling their weight, then you're letting the side down, and I'd be embarrassed by that. I work in a team of 8. Most of our duties are split, but at times there's a common task, if someone's clearly playing the c*nt and gabbing, getting hardly any work done, while me and another six are putting in a good shift, and working diligently, then they're an arsehole, and taking advantage of people who are doing their job (and may then have to stay on later to get the work that that lazy bastard didn't do). If everything was simply individual based input and output for a certain price, fair enough, let the lazy do themselves over, but when it's your own team mates? That's shite, and the attitude of a selfish prick with no respect for his team mates. Yes, I'm talking about you, Carlos.



The Eggman	Oct 27 2011, 09:06 AM Post #39
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Oct 27 2011, 06:41 AM The Eggman Oct 26 2011, 10:16 PM fck off. No, you fck off. [/effort] One of the reasons you won Poster of the Year is because you did put in the effort. Not the only reason, but one of the reasons. If you had too many other obligations that meant you couldn't post often, then you wouldn't have had as much impact. Eg if you were posting only as much as Cob, I doubt you'd have won. Obviously that doesn't mean that you won purely because of volume of posts, but like it or not, you did make an effort.



whatsthatonyourback	Oct 27 2011, 09:57 AM Post #40
Waldo Jeffers Posts: 4,443 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: September 10, 2010	The Sun says Housty faces the sack.



reekie	Oct 27 2011, 10:10 AM Post #41
lum raker Posts: 3,201 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: September 16, 2010	The Sun can suck my balls.



findus	Oct 27 2011, 10:15 AM Post #42
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	whatsthatonyourback Oct 27 2011, 09:57 AM The Sun says Housty faces the sack. Quote: MOST READ STORIES 1. Maddie perv freed... because he's disabled 2. Family claimed Stuart Walker abused boy, 12 3. Gattuso: I’ll play on with one eye 4. Housty faces sack 5. X Factor’s Derry Mensah gets frisky with lesbian Sami Brookes



whatsthatonyourback	Oct 27 2011, 10:18 AM Post #43
Waldo Jeffers Posts: 4,443 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: September 10, 2010	Anyway, back to Houston's credentials. Aside from my previous list of gripes, I forgot to mention the most important one: he is not getting the best out of the players we have. I still think we have a good squad - arguably third best in the league - but we're not playing or getting the points to indicate that. Injuries aren't to blame - only Dillon is out right now (Severin? Don't be silly) and we have cover for him. I'd be interested to hear what Housty says he's going to do about it, but from what I hear in his public pronouncements there's not much apart from "things will be fine".



findus	Oct 27 2011, 10:24 AM Post #44
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	I've mentioned before, last season we finished so high on the back of numerous late late shows, without which we wouldn't have been much higher than we are now. This season it seems like we're missing barrowloads of chances while leaking goals we shouldn't be leaking. Perhaps the defensive work of Gomis and Buaben giving the team a core stability is what we're missing. Along with Dillon and Goodroy. And Conway. Meh, reset the season and we could easily be 3rd by now.



Ivan	Oct 27 2011, 10:29 AM Post #45
F*cking plebs. Posts: 1,749 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: September 10, 2010	I'm not convinced we have the third best squad in the league. Perhaps with a fit and on form Swanson and before losing Goodwillie but not now.The depth is practically non-existent and there are positions in the team where the first choice players are no better than average.

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