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| whatsthatonyourback | Oct 26 2011, 06:19 PM Post #16 |
Waldo Jeffers
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It sounds like the mean rather than the median. |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Oct 26 2011, 06:27 PM Post #17 |
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I concur with Naebs's comments about effort. If I work at 100% for any length of time, I'd soon collapse with exhaustion and be useless for much of the rest of my work day. I hate to see people thinking effort and the 100% of it is the only measure of whether someone is doing a goood job or not. Quality is so much more important than quantity in most jobs, even jobs where people assume quantity is the most important, and I've had some very interesting discussions with people who were affronted by my questioning of their team's quality of work - "but they work so hard - look - they're always the last to leave and put in the most hours" - when the shite they shovelled out in great quantity just caused more work for everyone else. |
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| IainArab72 | Oct 26 2011, 06:30 PM Post #18 |
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If effort is 'overrated,' why did many United fans open criticise past players like Iain Ferguson who was told that he was 'lazy' - even if, in my view, he was not? Would we accept a United player deciding not to track back (through downright laziness) and making us concede a goal which meant we lost a cup tie or made us get relegated? |
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| whatsthatonyourback | Oct 26 2011, 06:36 PM Post #19 |
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If it is possible to give 100% at all times, it is only possible because that 100% absolute number lowers due to fatigue. I could complete a marathon by sprinting flat out at the start and then going as fast as I absolutely could until the finish, but my time would be terrible. Yet I could honestly say I gave 100% at all times. If I was still alive at the end of that, I would be a complete idiot. |
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| Naebody | Oct 26 2011, 06:38 PM Post #20 |
Twat
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Because they're f*ckwits. Everyone's a f*ckwit, except me. Or possibly including. Whatever. Not fussed. |
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| The Eggman | Oct 26 2011, 07:28 PM Post #21 |
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Giving 100% doesn't mean sprinting flat out, or full intensity all the time. It means trying your best, however that may be. I remember John O'Neill couldn't be f*cked getting back to defend a corner away to Killie in 93/94, and Malpas shouted at him to get his arse back. You can see players at times coasting through matches. Whether you think that's them pacing themselves... Well, sometimes it may be, and other times, they just can't be arsed. It's not just about match day, either, but training, and general attitude towards the game. If a player's going out on the piss two days before a match, he can f*ck off. It's not good for his body, and it's unprofessional. Sure, some players can get away with it for a while, but in the end their performance (and so the team, and fans) will suffer, eg Ronaldinho, Best etc. Iain Ferguson paced himself; Ronaldinho (last season at Barca and his two at Milan) pissed himself. |
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| The Eggman | Oct 26 2011, 07:29 PM Post #22 |
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Giving 100% doesn't mean sprinting flat out, or full intensity all the time. It means trying your best, however that may be. I remember John O'Neill couldn't be f*cked getting back to defend a corner away to Killie in 93/94, and Malpas shouted at him to get his arse back. You can see players at times coasting through matches. Whether you think that's them pacing themselves... Well, sometimes it may be, and other times, they just can't be arsed. It's not just about match day, either, but training, and general attitude towards the game. If a player's going out on the piss two days before a match, he can f*ck off. It's not good for his body, and it's unprofessional. Sure, some players can get away with it for a while, but in the end their performance (and so the team, and fans) will suffer, eg Ronaldinho, Best etc. Iain Ferguson paced himself; Ronaldinho (last season at Barca and his two at Milan) pissed himself. |
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| Micky | Oct 26 2011, 07:40 PM Post #23 |
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I don't think it would be a good idea to punt him, now. That doesn't mean I like what I'm seeing. |
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| Ivan | Oct 26 2011, 07:50 PM Post #24 |
F*cking plebs.
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Yeah, I interviewed a guy a couple of weeks ago who proudly told me that he takes work home most nights. My immediate reaction was that he must be really shite at his job if he can't get it finished in time. |
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| findus | Oct 26 2011, 07:52 PM Post #25 |
Jerry Kerr
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For arguments sake, if he were to go and we needed a replacement, which member of The A-Team in their heyday would you most like in as a replacement, and why? |
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| reekie | Oct 26 2011, 07:57 PM Post #26 |
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Presumably, the other 85-90% is being used up by your modesty regulator... |
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| Naebody | Oct 26 2011, 08:54 PM Post #27 |
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Routine modesty requires no more than 30% effort. I'm f*cking brilliant at being humble. Different class. We have a rather North Korean view of work, what with our default criticism of "lazy" players and our worries about Houston "wasting time" on international duty. Work is not a productive in itself, so measuring it quantitatively is just dumb. It's all to do with ethics. A job is a contract between two people, and both sides must uphold their end of the contract. By taking employment you do have an ethical obligation to do the job required. However, neither side is required to do more than the contract says, and neither side should feel obligated to do more. That's true of all of us. So, if you can get the daily report filed on time and to everyone's satisfaction, it shouldn't matter if you spend an hour or two dozing off a hangover in the nearest Starbucks. And, if you score one and make two assists over the 90, it shouldn't matter if you really can't really be arsed chasing the wayward pass that's nearly certain to be heading out for a goal kick. One of my favourite football stories involves Ivan Golac in his playing days. The team (Ipswich or similar) had just been hammered, and everyone was back in the dressing room getting a bollocking from the manager. Ivan, however, was ignoring the noise and cheerily changing into his flares and kipper tie. When asked what the f*ck he was doing, Ivan replied that the man he'd been told to mark didn't score so that was his job done. The bollocking didn't apply to him. That's the right attitude. |
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| Skeletor | Oct 26 2011, 09:13 PM Post #28 |
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Bloody hell, I've just found out that hitting the space bar tabs down, albeit quite inaccurately, through each post on the page. How long have you f*ckers been hiding that from me? |
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| reekie | Oct 26 2011, 09:55 PM Post #29 |
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I'm not sure what the leet for 'wry grin' is but I just had one at your oh-so-humble humble quip. You are, of course, right about the exchange of obligations pertaining to work. It's particularly challenged in the arts, where overtime is almost anathema and any complaint is met with a very snooty response. As if everyone should just be happy to 'be creating', whether it's on the company's dime or your own. Plus, there's always the unspoken acknowledgement that anyone who's 'not a good company member' won't be asked back. Which is suicide in an arena as overcrowded as the arts is. Love that Golac story too. |
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| Naebody | Oct 26 2011, 10:10 PM Post #30 |
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Now THAT's a good question. Hannibal would be the obvious choice; a charismatic leader who can bring a disparate group together and encourage them to deliver by using the sparse resources. BA's technical knowledge would be a boon to sorting out the zonal marking system, though his flight phobia's not useful in the unlikely event of European away games. Face might be handy for media relations while Murdock ... Well, we've tried that already. He won the cup but it quickly went to shit next season. In conclusion, it's a stupid question and I refuse to be drawn into this nonsense. |
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