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Topic Started: Oct 4 2011, 10:24 AM (563 Views)
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Craig Brewster
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15162241

just curious as to what the thoughts are here.
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F*cking plebs.
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I suspect this will see foreign prices rise rather than UK prices fall.
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There's a good article on the potential implications written before the judgement by a football lawyer who's studied the case closely -

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/09/4th-october-premier-league-broadcasting-d-day/

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Conclusion

Many PL clubs rely heavily on broadcasting money, primarily from the domestic Sky deal. Although overseas broadcasting revenue has increased dramatically since the last global tender process, there is the potential for a large shortfall in the money paid to the 20 PL clubs should the PL not have a back up plan to maximise commercial revenues in the wake of a negative ECJ decision.

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Tommy McLean
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This guy's all over it on Twitter - http://twitter.com/sportingintel
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Oct 4 2011, 11:29 AM
There's a good article on the potential implications written before the judgement by a football lawyer who's studied the case closely -

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/09/4th-october-premier-league-broadcasting-d-day/
Though it was written before the judgement, so misses the key cave-in.

Here's how it works:

1- You can't ban the sale of foreign decoders. Obviously. European free trade and all that.
2- Matches themselves are not copyrighted because they are not the "intellectual creation" of the Premier League.
3- However, everything surrounding the match retains local copyright.

That last point is extremely important. All the graphics, video sequences, branding, theme music etc need explicit permission to broadcast. And in the interpretation of what's copyrighted, it seems everything's up for grabs: we may be in the odd position where the live action's not protected but the action replays are. Whichever way, watching the copyrighted material with a foreign decoder means you're breaking the law.

As a result, it becomes relatively simple for Sky to protect its footprint. All Sky has to do is put a constant layer of copyrighted screen junk into the shared transmission feed. This may not be a perfect solution, but it's good enough to create another legal fudge ahead of the 2012-13 rights renegotiation.
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Oct 4 2011, 11:44 AM
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Oct 4 2011, 11:29 AM
There's a good article on the potential implications written before the judgement by a football lawyer who's studied the case closely -

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/09/4th-october-premier-league-broadcasting-d-day/
Though it was written before the judgement, so misses the key cave-in.

Here's how it works:

1- You can't ban the sale of foreign decoders. Obviously. European free trade and all that.
2- Matches themselves are not copyrighted because they are not the "intellectual creation" of the Premier League.
3- However, everything surrounding the match retains local copyright.

That last point is extremely important. All the graphics, video sequences, branding, theme music etc need explicit permission to broadcast. And in the interpretation of what's copyrighted, it seems everything's up for grabs: we may be in the odd position where the live action's not protected but the action replays are. Whichever way, watching the copyrighted material with a foreign decoder means you're breaking the law.

As a result, it becomes relatively simple for Sky to protect its footprint. All Sky has to do is put a constant layer of copyrighted screen junk into the shared transmission feed. This may not be a perfect solution, but it's good enough to create another legal fudge ahead of the 2012-13 rights renegotiation.
You're right in saying that the broadcasting of matches in pubs can be restricted because of the copyrighted elements like the graphics and music etc Naebs. But on initial reading it looks like that part of the judgement only relates to broadcasting the game to the public and not individual consumers.

This Guardian article sums up things as they stand and includes the following -
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What does it mean today?

That, for the duration of the existing Premier League contract (which runs until the end of next season), private individuals will be able to purchase set-top boxes and decoder cards that allow them to beam in football from overseas more cheaply. As such, the 3pm blackout that stops domestic broadcasters from showing matches at the traditional time on a Saturday afternoon will become redundant – for the time being at least. There are different copyright issues around showing matches in pubs, but it appears individual consumers will be free to buy in football from overseas using foreign cards and decoders. For the next 18 months, at least, there could be something of a free for all as consumers work out to get their hands on cheaper football – and more of it. Albeit in a different language. However, Premier League insiders believe that the full judgment may call even this interpretation into question.

There are also obvious benefits for ex-pats in that they will be able to take their set-top box and decoder card with them when they travel to a different country and watch their existing package of channels. Yet the landscape could look very different by the time the Premier League goes to market with its next TV deal.

So although broadcasting in pubs could still be restricted by the EPL the ruling certainly has the potential to have a serious impact on the value and shape of future contracts that are negotiated?
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Yes. We're looking at a much lower value on the non-domestic rights for 2012-13 onwards. But that contract value is chickenfeed anyway, in the scheme of things, and I won't be even slightly surprised if Sky decide that they'll just not sell on live rights outside the most valuable footprint. Meanwhile, the copyright/non copyright ruling opens up an entire lawyer's wardrobe of grey areas to fight over for the next 18 months.

Anyone calling the death of Sky on this is very much mistaken. The ruling is, in truth, relatively positive for its prospects (a fact recognised by the money: BSkyB shares are down 1.75%, compared with a FTSE 100 down 2.7%).

ETA: just checked: Continental European rights sell for ~£100m a year. BSkyB's turnover is nearly £7bn a year. If the latter's at risk you sacrifice the former. It's hardly a tough decision.
Edited by Naebody, Oct 4 2011, 01:15 PM.
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As you say Naebody the copyrighted material angle will keep lawyers busy for a while.

This article from a former barrister seems to suggest there are exceptions that could even negate that part of the judgement anyway (apart from the semi-mythical EPL theme tune anyway!).

The implications for the value of rights and how they are sold are far from certain as you say, but if any company could ever come out of something like this in a better position it would be sods law it would be SKY...

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