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| Setenza | Oct 4 2011, 04:03 PM Post #16 |
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I didn't say that I'd drop Rankin or replace him. Especailly as I like Rankin a lot and think he's been one of our best this season. Not as effective in attacking as Swanson, but still good. In fact, playing a defender in midfield is the approach that seems like it's trying to repair something in hope, when playing the defender in defence in place of the defender making mistakes would seem to be sensible. Watson - Dillon - Gunning - Dixon Swason - Flood - Rankin - Armstrong / Allan - Russell Daly. Sorted. |
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| Ivan | Oct 4 2011, 04:05 PM Post #17 |
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I like Daly but there's no point playing him up front on his own. Play him with a partner or play a mobile centre forward. |
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| Ivan | Oct 4 2011, 04:06 PM Post #18 |
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That's exactly the same formation as we played on Saturday and which Houston had to abandon after half an hour. |
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| Setenza | Oct 4 2011, 04:10 PM Post #19 |
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But which we played in other games and looked good. 451 has and will work well for us. Maybe having someone (Allan / armstong or if we played Swason there and mackystevens out wide) a bit further forward would have stopped jennings having enough time to string everything together. And of course after we changed it after 1/2 hour, we didn't look any better really.... Edited by Setenza, Oct 4 2011, 04:12 PM.
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| Naebody | Oct 4 2011, 04:29 PM Post #20 |
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The miserable have no other medicine but only hope. Here's my logic: we're desperately in need a defensive midfielder. The only one we have, Robertson, is playing like he was hit twice on the head with a bag of wet sand. This has likely contributed to the defence's loss of confidence, as they're playing entire matches with nothing in front of them. The easiest, least disruptive fix to make would be to find a new defensive midfielder who can at very least add a bit of thump where it's currently lacking. Dillon can do that, in theory. He's done it before. Perhaps he'd sit too deep and allow the midfield to be over-run. Or perhaps he wouldn't and wouldn't. I don't know, and neither do any of you lot, if we're honest. Hope, see. Surely hope's worth a shot. |
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| reekie | Oct 4 2011, 04:48 PM Post #21 |
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That's kind of what I'm getting at. Robertson's been fed all this he's a fantastic box-to-box midfielder when he's not. At the moment, Flood's shunted out-wide, while Rankin and Robertson try to affect a double-pivot centrally. Unfortunately, neither are suited to this, Robertson's attacking being suspect and Rankin's defensive qualities outweighed by his attacking instincts. Okay. What if we ditch the back-three idea? Let's go 4-1-3-2 instead. Pernis Watson Dillon Gunning Dixon .................Robertson .........Flood Swanson Rankin ...............Russell Daly |
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| Setenza | Oct 4 2011, 05:23 PM Post #22 |
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There's no need for thoery when we've previous examples though. We don't know, but I tend to base things on previous performance than starting new and hoping for differenet results each time we repeate previous actions. I'd rather a shot at something different that's shown a bit of hope, swanson, armstrong or allan through the middle. I think the main issue is our midfield is too fluid and undisciplined. Watching them, it's not unusual to see Flood tracking back all across the pitch, there's no-one with any real definite roles, and we end up with horrible shapes and gaps all over. Someone, anyone, holding is going to improve that. Likewise, someone, anyone with licence to get forward would help. The wide players don't help, swapping wings a lot, Swason roaming alll over to get the ball. But putting someone in there who dispupts things even more I think will makes things worse. |
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| reekie | Oct 4 2011, 05:44 PM Post #23 |
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My point entirely. The Robertson/Rankin axis doesn't work, especially when Willo's trying to muscle in on the action. Let Scott sit and that allows Rankin, nominally left, and Flood, nominally right, to attack with Swanson given a free role behind two strikers. |
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| Naebody | Oct 4 2011, 06:05 PM Post #24 |
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I quote Shakespeare and you start spelling like Marlowe. What the f*ck is happening to this board? Anyway, I've seen Dillon play holding midfield and thought he was okay. Others may have different memories, but I'd highlight that those memories are from 2008. A few years ago we had Flood, Buaben, Gomis, Scott Robertson, David Robertson, Wesolowski and Caddis available for centre midfield duties. Today we have Flood, Scott Robertson, Rankin and Armstrong. It seemed perverse to play a defender out of position in 2008, given the wealth of alternatives; now it just seems pragmatic. ETA: I hope Houston's reading this thread. Baldy c*nt that he is. |
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| Micky | Oct 4 2011, 08:29 PM Post #25 |
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Very narrow, Reeks, but also very Barca of last year. Swanson as the false 9? Flood as Xabi, Ranking as Iniesta. Gunning as Pique??!?!?!??! Actually, that would be Dillon, the Irish Beckenbauer. I'm not even drunk.  
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| reekie | Oct 4 2011, 09:31 PM Post #26 |
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Some would say Daly's already our false nine.. I know what you mean about the narrow aspect. I suppose it's essentially what we have now, except here Robertson doesn't leave his own half, the full-backs attack more and Swanson plays 'in the hole'. It is Barca-esque, and that's because they've got lots of small, nippy ball-players middle to front. A bit like us. Play to your strengths and all that... We'll get a beer soon and sort this all out, ay? Edited by reekie, Oct 4 2011, 09:33 PM.
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| Naebody | Oct 4 2011, 09:34 PM Post #27 |
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More, I'd argue, like the diamond formation under Alex Smith. Swanson as Fatty Miller, Rankin as David Hannah and Flood as Craig Easton. Watson and Dixon would be Jamie McCunnie and Hasney Aljofree, Dillon would be Griffin and Daly would be Derek Lilley. I am quite drunk, though that's no excuse. |
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| findus | Oct 4 2011, 11:37 PM Post #28 |
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----------- Pernis -- Banks ----------- Dillon -------- Gunning -------- Dixon ---------- Robertson - Flood --------- Watson -- Rankin -- Allan -- Douglas --- Swanson -- Armstrong ----- GMS Russell --- Daly --- DalaiLV --- Dow Flawless  Alternatively, I'm going to go for the as yet unsuggested and beastially underused yet effective sweeper as an alternative to the sitting midfielder (and I'm confident that Dillon would be very good in this role). Allows Watson and Dixon to roam forward more confidently, gives Kenneth and Gunning insurance rather than a point of defense that is always in front of them, allows any of the three of them to Beckenbauer forward confidently when an opportunity presents itself. In an alternative universe, Allan is in for Russell (and Messi for Daly). --------------- Pernis ------------------ ---------------- Dillon ------------------ Watson - Kenneth - Gunning - Dixon ---- Flood --- Rankin --- Russell ----- ------------- Swanson ----------------- ---------------- Daly ------------------- Edited by findus, Oct 4 2011, 11:58 PM.
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| findus | Oct 5 2011, 12:29 AM Post #29 |
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... that formation also has the benefit of being arrow-shaped. Give the ball to Dillon, pull into formation, then wedge through the opposition team ye olde military style.
Edited by findus, Oct 5 2011, 12:29 AM.
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| Naebody | Oct 5 2011, 07:33 AM Post #30 |
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Chrismas tree. Dundee under Jim Duffy. For f*ck sake. |
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