Notice of Extraordinary General Meeting

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Notice of Extraordinary General Meeting
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Naebody	Aug 20 2011, 12:07 PM Post #46
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	Quote: kindly give a current dictionary definition. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, 1994. Quote: A number of commentators (as Copperud 1970, Janis 1984, Howard 1984) believe that acronyms can be differentiated from other abbreviations in being pronounceable as words. Dictionaries, however, do not make this distinction because writers in general do not: "The powder metallurgy industry has officially adopted the acronym 'P/M Parts'" —Precision Metal Molding, January 1966. "Users of the term acronym make no distinction between those pronounced as words … and those pronounced as a series of characters" —Jean Praninskas, Trade Name Creation, 1968. "It is not J.C.B.'s fault that its name, let alone its acronym, is not a household word among European scholars" —Times Literary Supp. 5 February 1970. "… the confusion in the Pentagon about abbreviations and acronyms—words formed from the first letters of other words" —Bernard Weinraub., N.Y. Times, 11 December 1978 Pyles & Algeo 1970 divide acronyms into "initialisms", which consists of initial letters pronounced with the letter names, and "word acronyms", which are pronounced as words. Initialism, an older word than acronym, seems to be too little known to the general public to serve as the customary term standing in contrast with acronym in a narrow sense. K? K.



The Eggman	Aug 20 2011, 12:29 PM Post #47
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Aug 20 2011, 12:07 PM Quote: kindly give a current dictionary definition. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, 1994. Quote: A number of commentators (as Copperud 1970, Janis 1984, Howard 1984) believe that acronyms can be differentiated from other abbreviations in being pronounceable as words. Dictionaries, however, do not make this distinction because writers in general do not: "The powder metallurgy industry has officially adopted the acronym 'P/M Parts'" —Precision Metal Molding, January 1966. "Users of the term acronym make no distinction between those pronounced as words … and those pronounced as a series of characters" —Jean Praninskas, Trade Name Creation, 1968. "It is not J.C.B.'s fault that its name, let alone its acronym, is not a household word among European scholars" —Times Literary Supp. 5 February 1970. "… the confusion in the Pentagon about abbreviations and acronyms—words formed from the first letters of other words" —Bernard Weinraub., N.Y. Times, 11 December 1978 Pyles & Algeo 1970 divide acronyms into "initialisms", which consists of initial letters pronounced with the letter names, and "word acronyms", which are pronounced as words. Initialism, an older word than acronym, seems to be too little known to the general public to serve as the customary term standing in contrast with acronym in a narrow sense. K? K. Fair enough. My point with regards to dictionary definitions is that they're preferable because they generally simplify matters and bring order and clarity to the language. Words have a lot of power, and the misinterpretation of them can lead to a lot of harm. That may be rather restrictive, and people such as yourself may feel that it takes some of the fun out of the language, but it's still a valid angle. While it's not the same, it is similar to bringing video evidence into football. One argument against that is that it will lead to less controversy, and some football fans like the controversy that wrong or unclear decisions bring. I'm one of those that prefers less controversy, and more consensus. So if we can all agree that a word means a certain thing or things, then great, and that for me is where dictionaries come in. Of course, there is the matter of who decides the determined meaning in the first place, but that's another issue.



Naebody	Aug 20 2011, 12:56 PM Post #48
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	My own opinion is irritatingly close to this, though not nearly so well expressed.



Skeletor	Aug 20 2011, 05:05 PM Post #49
Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe Posts: 2,157 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: September 10, 2010	Can I please alert you ladies to the fact that these graphs are case-sensitive, so many of your results as linked to are incorrect! Sadly in the case of Heaven and Hell: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Heaven%2C+Hell&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 vs. heaven and hell: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=heaven%2C+hell&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3



The Eggman	Aug 20 2011, 10:15 PM Post #50
Tommy McLean Posts: 2,119 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: September 10, 2010	Lovely. And it is lovely. While I can admire it, I don't completely agree with it. And I do wonder just how much of that message is followed by the preacher (and those who agree). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OluCvL0lRnI Edited by The Eggman, Aug 20 2011, 10:22 PM.



Naebody	Aug 21 2011, 07:51 AM Post #51
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	Skeletor Aug 20 2011, 05:05 PM Can I please alert you ladies to the fact that these graphs are case-sensitive, so many of your results as linked to are incorrect! Sadly in the case of Heaven and Hell: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Heaven%2C+Hell&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 vs. heaven and hell: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=heaven%2C+hell&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 Oi, porkchops. I knew what I was about. Heaven capitalised, indicating sacred formality, and hell uncapitalised, indicating profane informality. I'm sorry, Skeletor, but God is undoubtedly dead. Me, Google NGrams and Friedrich Nietzsche all agree, even if Fred called it about 70 years too early.



findus	Aug 21 2011, 10:03 AM Post #52
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Aug 21 2011, 07:51 AM Skeletor Aug 20 2011, 05:05 PM Can I please alert you ladies to the fact that these graphs are case-sensitive, so many of your results as linked to are incorrect! Sadly in the case of Heaven and Hell: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=Heaven%2C+Hell&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 vs. heaven and hell: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=heaven%2C+hell&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=0&smoothing=3 Oi, porkchops. I knew what I was about. Heaven capitalised, indicating sacred formality, and hell uncapitalised, indicating profane informality. I'm sorry, Skeletor, but God is undoubtedly dead. Me, Google NGrams and Friedrich Nietzsche all agree, even if Fred called it about 70 years too early. According to this, God starting dying like reet proppa at the end of World War 2, before making a massive comeback in the late 60s just as Led Zeppelin were kicking off. That's a 'correlation v causation' geek's wet dream right there Edited by findus, Aug 21 2011, 10:06 AM.



whatsthatonyourback	Aug 21 2011, 11:41 AM Post #53
Waldo Jeffers Posts: 4,443 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Aug 19 2011, 06:34 PM The Eggman Aug 19 2011, 05:52 PM For a start, it needs to be a pronouncable word. AGM isn't one of those. Says who? "Acronym" wasn't even coined until the end of the Second World War, when military slang pushed into the wider consciousness via abbreviations such as Anzac and MIA. You can search back to what was written in the 40s and find examples of both these useages being called acronyms. You can also check the etymological root (it appears to have been nicked off the Germans, incidentally), but that doesn't support the "must be pronounceable" thing either. In fact, the German definition of akronym specifically includes unpronounceable constructions. My own suspicion is that the word acronym was coined based on the broad definition. But dictionary writers, in their pedantic way, noted the pre-existence of initialism so they invented this "must be pronounceable" thing to make a (fake) distinction between the two. It's never been used that way though -- largely because initialism has never been used at all. In summary, words mean what they mean. I hope this settles matters. F*ck off.



Naebody	Aug 21 2011, 11:58 AM Post #54
Twat Posts: 5,210 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 13, 2010	whatsthatonyourback Aug 21 2011, 11:41 AM



findus	Aug 21 2011, 12:29 PM Post #55
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Aug 21 2011, 11:58 AM whatsthatonyourback Aug 21 2011, 11:41 AM That's Naebody 'all in'. The action is on whatsthatonyourback...



whatsthatonyourback	Aug 21 2011, 01:48 PM Post #56
Waldo Jeffers Posts: 4,443 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: September 10, 2010	findus Aug 21 2011, 12:29 PM Naebody Aug 21 2011, 11:58 AM whatsthatonyourback Aug 21 2011, 11:41 AM That's Naebody 'all in'. The action is on whatsthatonyourback... Match a video of singing monkeys? How and why would anyone try to do that? Will this do?



yasser	Aug 21 2011, 02:34 PM Post #57
Ivan Golac Posts: 1,250 Group: Members Member #31 Joined: November 15, 2010	Please remind me. What was this thread about originally



Skeletor	Aug 21 2011, 03:28 PM Post #58
Most likely to be Ann Widdecombe Posts: 2,157 Group: Members Member #10 Joined: September 10, 2010	Naebody Aug 21 2011, 07:51 AM Oi, porkchops. I knew what I was about. Heaven capitalised, indicating sacred formality, and hell uncapitalised, indicating profane informality. I'm sorry, Skeletor, but God is undoubtedly dead. Me, Google NGrams and Friedrich Nietzsche all agree, even if Fred called it about 70 years too early. But that means he WAS alive then, right!? Yippeeeeee!!



findus	Aug 21 2011, 03:39 PM Post #59
Jerry Kerr Posts: 4,444 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: September 10, 2010	yasser Aug 21 2011, 02:34 PM Please remind me. What was this thread about originally We're fcukin good, right?



radger	Aug 21 2011, 07:21 PM Post #60
Craig Brewster Posts: 461 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: June 26, 2011	so theres an extraordinary meeting then?


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