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Scottish Football Fans' Survey - 2 minutes
Topic Started: Mar 24 2011, 05:51 PM (1,027 Views)
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Please take 2 minutes to complete this survey which is to examine the communication between football fans and football clubs in Scotland.

http://arabtrust.co.uk/current/?486-scottish-football-fans-survey
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Setenza
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How often do you post on such a message board?


- Very Often
- Regularly
- Occasionally
- Rarely
- Never


Mmmmm....



I really miss the ArabFORUM though. Last update August 2008, can't wait for the next update....
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Ivan
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That survey is awful. Basically should people like me be listened to more: yes/no. You'll need to be a little more sophisticated than that if you're going to be listened to. Not that anyone listens to the results of online surveys BUT IF THEY DID they wouldn't listen to this one.

Maybe you need to be a little more honest about the point you are trying to make. Rather than saying: look, here's a load of no-marks with no influence who say you should listen to them more; you could try: here's what we want and this is why we want it and if you don't like it we're going to organise a demonstration of power which you can't ignore. That's what effects change, not online surveys.


Or, it could be a genuine survey without a predetermined outcome. It's not though is it.
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It's one of those things that does need looking at though . Hard job, but it can make all the difference if done well. Wonder if just try too much, especially with all new social media . It's great, but easy to do badly or inconsistently . But not a better time to really get direct communication with fans rather than through papers etc.
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Ivan
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Sure, everyone wants better communication and every interested party thinks it should be listened to more. If that's your agenda though then be honest about it. The purpose of a survey should be to gather information, not to add weight to a pre-existing opinion.
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Agree with Ivan. Started writing similar things then chose not to post, as it seemed a bit rude. I doubt the survey's deliberately snide, but survey design is quite difficult.

Personally, I don't think clubs should listen to fans any more or less than the average business listens to its customers. I also think that fans should be a lot more discerning about how and when they give money to clubs. Ideally, I'd like to break the idea that a football club should be treated as some kind of localised crypto-charity. Dundee United owes us nothing, and vice versa.

I didn't find my opinions represented in a tick box.
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Ivan
Mar 25 2011, 08:40 AM
Sure, everyone wants better communication and every interested party thinks it should be listened to more. If that's your agenda though then be honest about it. The purpose of a survey should be to gather information, not to add weight to a pre-existing opinion.
The intro to the survey didn't seem like an interested party that much from the way I read it though, or at least no more than a lot of people. Not that I thought the survey was great.
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Ivan
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Setenza
Mar 25 2011, 09:53 AM
Ivan
Mar 25 2011, 08:40 AM
Sure, everyone wants better communication and every interested party thinks it should be listened to more. If that's your agenda though then be honest about it. The purpose of a survey should be to gather information, not to add weight to a pre-existing opinion.
The intro to the survey didn't seem like an interested party that much from the way I read it though, or at least no more than a lot of people. Not that I thought the survey was great.
I'm not sure whether you're deliberately being obtuse or just missing the point, Setenza. The survey was clearly written with the intention of supporting a preconceived agenda. That makes the survey dishonest. It's disingenuous to pretend to be doing research when, in fact, you're compiling a petition.

The fact that the content is so painfully banal only makes it worse.
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Ivan
Mar 25 2011, 10:04 AM
Setenza
Mar 25 2011, 09:53 AM
Ivan
Mar 25 2011, 08:40 AM
Sure, everyone wants better communication and every interested party thinks it should be listened to more. If that's your agenda though then be honest about it. The purpose of a survey should be to gather information, not to add weight to a pre-existing opinion.
The intro to the survey didn't seem like an interested party that much from the way I read it though, or at least no more than a lot of people. Not that I thought the survey was great.
I'm not sure whether you're deliberately being obtuse or just missing the point, Setenza. The survey was clearly written with the intention of supporting a preconceived agenda. That makes the survey dishonest. It's disingenuous to pretend to be doing research when, in fact, you're compiling a petition.

The fact that the content is so painfully banal only makes it worse.
Then maybe the student will fail...

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Ivan
Mar 24 2011, 10:00 PM
That survey is awful. Basically should people like me be listened to more: yes/no. You'll need to be a little more sophisticated than that if you're going to be listened to. Not that anyone listens to the results of online surveys BUT IF THEY DID they wouldn't listen to this one.

Maybe you need to be a little more honest about the point you are trying to make. Rather than saying: look, here's a load of no-marks with no influence who say you should listen to them more; you could try: here's what we want and this is why we want it and if you don't like it we're going to organise a demonstration of power which you can't ignore. That's what effects change, not online surveys.


Or, it could be a genuine survey without a predetermined outcome. It's not though is it.
Before I had accessed the survey, I agreed with you wholeheartedly.

Then, I foolishly clicked on the link just to see how bad it actually was, and much to my disappointment it wasn't that bad.

Not perfect by any means, but I was perfectly able to express my genuine opinion through the options and comments available. So Chris, yup, that was me that said fans should not be more involved and listened to more, and thought the club should not listen to me, and I would not be happy to help them if they asked my advice. Frankly, I'm not qualified to do so and I don't have the time or inclination. Look after your members and try to increase the membership by showing why it's worth joining, but extra communication to internet virtual fans is a waste of time, eliciting opinions that are ill-informed and self-interested.

Of course, the fans that I hate are the ones that think they've got a valid opinion on everything to do with United and football and probably said yes to every question asking ehther they wanted more of a say in how things are done. Idiots. If they're not bothered to go through the proper supporters trusts, f*ck them. Ignore everything they say, and treat them like the cretinous cash-cow that clubs have relied on for decades, as that is what they are. They're a customer, not a chief-exec or a marketing genius.

Of course, Ivan & Naebs are mostly right, and such a survey should be pretty much ignored by anyone sensible and in a position of power, but I've also got no problem with it being done. One question was a bit ridiculous - something lengthy and confusing about all suporters communicating together in some sort of hive-mind factory.
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I thought the intention of the survey became more transparent as it went on after the introductory questions, and I almost expected a courtoom gasp and "I have no further questions, Your Honour" at the end.

Should the club listen to the fans? We can't even all agree that Mihael Kovacevic is shite.
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