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Scotland Brazil
Topic Started: Mar 21 2011, 12:55 PM (5,057 Views)
yasser
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Ivan Golac
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Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 03:29 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 03:23 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:35 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 01:07 PM
They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
Are you suggesting that every Scotland fan is a racist or just the ones at the game yesterday? :piper:
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm saying it only takes one nutter, who knows what nationality he was, might even have been English and the media are playing the racist Scots card. Anything to give Jock a bad name eh!.
Yeah, but the bad apple analogy. I'm trying to ascertain the size and scope of the barrel. I wasn't at the game and, indeed, never go to Scotland games BUT I AM SCOTTISH and I DO MARGINALLY CARE about the outcome of Scotland games. Am I in the barrel? Are you?
It only takes one bad apple, the size of the barrel in this case is totally immaterial as I suspect you well know. Stop being facetious Grumpy Guts.
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But what if the barrel (irrespective of size) is filled with apples and a bad banana is introduced. Does one bad banana spoil the apples?
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 28 2011, 03:39 PM
But what if the barrel (irrespective of size) is filled with apples and a bad banana is introduced. Does one bad banana spoil the apples?
Yes

next question :banshk:
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F*cking plebs.
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yasser
Mar 28 2011, 03:37 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 03:29 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 03:23 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:35 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 01:07 PM
They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
Are you suggesting that every Scotland fan is a racist or just the ones at the game yesterday? :piper:
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm saying it only takes one nutter, who knows what nationality he was, might even have been English and the media are playing the racist Scots card. Anything to give Jock a bad name eh!.
Yeah, but the bad apple analogy. I'm trying to ascertain the size and scope of the barrel. I wasn't at the game and, indeed, never go to Scotland games BUT I AM SCOTTISH and I DO MARGINALLY CARE about the outcome of Scotland games. Am I in the barrel? Are you?
It only takes one bad apple, the size of the barrel in this case is totally immaterial as I suspect you well know. Stop being facetious Grumpy Guts.
Right, I get that the whole barrel has been spoiled by one racist idiot. What I want to know is, who is in the barrel? I think that we can assume that Naebody is not in the barrel because he's a borderline autistic ex-pat, but what about you? Are you in the barrel, and if so, why are you in a barrel?

You've not thought this through, yas.
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Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 04:09 PM
Right, I get that the whole barrel has been spoiled by one racist idiot.
Yeah, now you get it.

You and your banana...
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Mar 28 2011, 04:09 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 03:37 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 03:29 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 03:23 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:35 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 01:07 PM
They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
Are you suggesting that every Scotland fan is a racist or just the ones at the game yesterday? :piper:
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm saying it only takes one nutter, who knows what nationality he was, might even have been English and the media are playing the racist Scots card. Anything to give Jock a bad name eh!.
Yeah, but the bad apple analogy. I'm trying to ascertain the size and scope of the barrel. I wasn't at the game and, indeed, never go to Scotland games BUT I AM SCOTTISH and I DO MARGINALLY CARE about the outcome of Scotland games. Am I in the barrel? Are you?
It only takes one bad apple, the size of the barrel in this case is totally immaterial as I suspect you well know. Stop being facetious Grumpy Guts.
Right, I get that the whole barrel has been spoiled by one racist idiot. What I want to know is, who is in the barrel? I think that we can assume that Naebody is not in the barrel because he's a borderline autistic ex-pat, but what about you? Are you in the barrel, and if so, why are you in a barrel?

You've not thought this through, yas.
In this case all of the people in the ground at the time the banana was thrown onto the pitch would constitute those in the barrel. Unless someonr has some kind of device that would launch said banana from outwith (hardly likely) Actually, does someone throwing a banana onto the playing surface would have to be doing so with intent to cause racial offence? maybe the said banana just tasted crap ond the offender chucked unthinkingly.
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I was at the game and I boo-ed Naymar everytime he got the ball after his play acting. As did most of the other fans around me and in many other parts of the ground. Any other time during the game there was nothing untoward. Maybe he himself was the bad apple/banana in the barrel then? If he wants to the boo-ing towards only himself and no other Brazilian as a racist issue then that's up to him. But I think he owes an apology though.
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Mar 28 2011, 06:43 PM
I was at the game and I boo-ed Naymar everytime he got the ball after his play acting. As did most of the other fans around me and in many other parts of the ground. Any other time during the game there was nothing untoward. Maybe he himself was the bad apple/banana in the barrel then? If he wants to the boo-ing towards only himself and no other Brazilian as a racist issue then that's up to him. But I think he owes an apology though.
Same here. There was no booing until he did his dying swan thing about 15 minutes in. I was in a neutral area, but although the Scots around me were booing him nothing racist was said by anyone. I did see the banana being thrown, and it came from a section which seemed to be predominately Brazilian fans.

I also met Charlie Adam afterwards, and congratulated him on being a better player than his dad.
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Mar 28 2011, 03:04 PM
Right, I got from that that you haven't actually watched the games and that your opinion isn't based on his mistakes but on your preconceptions. The successes, tangible and otherwise, are ignored while the failures are seized upon to support your prejudices.

Fair enough.
Behave, Ivan.

I watched the whole of the Czech match, the whole of the Spain match, and the whole of the Liechtenstein match.

Seized upon, as if I want Scotland to fail just so I'm proved right. Stop talking shite.

Those three matches confirmed my opinion, and I didn't take pleasure from it.

So you think he's up to the job?

If the jury's out, then how long will you give him?
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F*cking plebs.
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Mar 29 2011, 08:03 AM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 03:04 PM
Right, I got from that that you haven't actually watched the games and that your opinion isn't based on his mistakes but on your preconceptions. The successes, tangible and otherwise, are ignored while the failures are seized upon to support your prejudices.

Fair enough.
Behave, Ivan.

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Aye, sorry. I'm an awfy man.

Seriously though, it's too early to judge Levein either way. I'm minded to be more sympathetic because he has an excellent track record, in my opinion. I like the way his teams play and I think he commands the respect of the players. A decision has been made that he's the right man for the job and I think he should be given enough time to build a team before being judged. I'd say that's a fair approach to take for all managers (unless they are making a complete Heggy of it).

I'd give him this entire qualifying campaign, at least, before thinking about making an assessment.

To be clear though, thus far I think he's doing well so if I were to make a judgement it would be in his favour.
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I like Levein as a person, and he did a great job as United manager. I want him to do well as Scotland manager.

I am surprised you think he's in credit though so far, but fair enough. We'll probably never agree on this topic.

I admit he's only had a few games as manager, and that's not many, although I haven't seen any improvement in performances, and think that some of them have been bad enough as to say he'll never be able to improve enough to reach the standard I'd expect. It would please me no end to be proved wrong, though.

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I think Levein will do a solid job, but it's going to be hard for anyonen to have real sucess and get us to qualify. He's been bigging up the club mentality stuff he says he's recently been able to get, so will see how that works.

I think from a players point of view, he might be a challenging manager, so might take time to get going.

I can't see him being outright failure given time, but won't be leading us against Brazil in competitive games.
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Mar 29 2011, 10:11 AM
I think from a players point of view, he might be a challenging manager, so might take time to get going.
Is it possible that some of the players think that he doesn't deserve the job? Despite the good job he did at Hearts at United, he didn't actually win a trophy (I think), and finished fifth in his two full seasons at Tannadice.
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Mar 29 2011, 08:03 AM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 03:04 PM
Right, I got from that that you haven't actually watched the games and that your opinion isn't based on his mistakes but on your preconceptions. The successes, tangible and otherwise, are ignored while the failures are seized upon to support your prejudices.

Fair enough.
Behave, Ivan.

I watched the whole of the Czech match, the whole of the Spain match, and the whole of the Liechtenstein match.

Seized upon, as if I want Scotland to fail just so I'm proved right. Stop talking shite.

Those three matches confirmed my opinion, and I didn't take pleasure from it.

So you think he's up to the job?

If the jury's out, then how long will you give him?
Did you see the Norn Iron game? How did you feel about that? Admittedly The Gers-In-Green were fairly gash, but then so are Liechtenstein.
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Mar 29 2011, 10:15 AM
Did you see the Norn Iron game? How did you feel about that? Admittedly The Gers-In-Green were fairly gash, but then so are Liechtenstein.
I gave that a miss. It was Northern Ireland's reserves, wasn't it?
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