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Topic Started: Mar 21 2011, 12:55 PM (5,058 Views)
Naebody
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"They were jeering me a lot, even when I was about to kick the penalty the entire stadium was jeering," added Neymar.


Imagine ...

The entire story would be better headlined: "19-year-old moron is moron."
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Naebody
Mar 28 2011, 09:18 AM
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"They were jeering me a lot, even when I was about to kick the penalty the entire stadium was jeering," added Neymar.


Imagine ...

The entire story would be better headlined: "19-year-old moron is moron."
and it had absolutely nothing to do with his haircut, nothing at all
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Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 07:38 AM
IainArab72
Mar 27 2011, 10:18 PM
All I want regarding the match itself, is for our players to be able to pass well, control a ball, work hard and show a bit of tactical nous. How many of the players achieved all 4? It as an international march afterall. We seemed to spend a large part of the match dribbling the ball towards our own goal (for instance, McArthur). Why?
They were trying to be brave and retain possession under pressure. I would have thought that much at least would have been obvious. It has been a running theme under Levein's teams for years.

It wasn't enough, of course, largely because Brazil have much better players than Scotland.
I don't remember too many United players dribbling towards their own goal when Levein was boss. The closest they got to that was Mark Kerr and his passbacks.

Facetiousness aside, there are better ways to retain possession. Like pass (well) and move (quickly), while having a recognised pattern and shape about where players are supposed to be going for the next pass. It doesn't say much about the players if they don't even appear to try to do that (which is what it seemed like to me - admittedly, I only watched about half an hour).
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They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
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Ivan
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The Eggman
Mar 28 2011, 12:57 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 07:38 AM
IainArab72
Mar 27 2011, 10:18 PM
All I want regarding the match itself, is for our players to be able to pass well, control a ball, work hard and show a bit of tactical nous. How many of the players achieved all 4? It as an international march afterall. We seemed to spend a large part of the match dribbling the ball towards our own goal (for instance, McArthur). Why?
They were trying to be brave and retain possession under pressure. I would have thought that much at least would have been obvious. It has been a running theme under Levein's teams for years.

It wasn't enough, of course, largely because Brazil have much better players than Scotland.
I don't remember too many United players dribbling towards their own goal when Levein was boss. The closest they got to that was Mark Kerr and his passbacks.

Facetiousness aside, there are better ways to retain possession. Like pass (well) and move (quickly), while having a recognised pattern and shape about where players are supposed to be going for the next pass. It doesn't say much about the players if they don't even appear to try to do that (which is what it seemed like to me - admittedly, I only watched about half an hour).
Really, what was the point of this post, Eggman?
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Skeletor
Mar 28 2011, 12:20 PM
Naebody
Mar 28 2011, 09:18 AM
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"They were jeering me a lot, even when I was about to kick the penalty the entire stadium was jeering," added Neymar.


Imagine ...

The entire story would be better headlined: "19-year-old moron is moron."
and it had absolutely nothing to do with his haircut, nothing at all
I wish someone would throw a banana at you, Skeletor.
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yasser
Mar 28 2011, 01:07 PM
They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
Are you suggesting that every Scotland fan is a racist or just the ones at the game yesterday? :piper:
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Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:33 PM
Really, what was the point of this post, Eggman?
To say that while you may want to defend Levein to your last breath, he's got many flaws. You say that his sides try to retain possession, and I say they went about it in a daft way. Levein's out of his depth. The Scotland players aren't much good, admittedly, but they can hold the ball and pass it better than they they've done in most of his games so far, and that, in part, comes down to him.

He should've been sacked after the Czech match, and he should've been sacked after the Liechtenstein match.
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The Eggman
Mar 28 2011, 01:39 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:33 PM
Really, what was the point of this post, Eggman?
To say that while you may want to defend Levein to your last breath, he's got many flaws. You say that his sides try to retain possession, and I say they went about it in a daft way. Levein's out of his depth. The Scotland players aren't much good, admittedly, but they can hold the ball and pass it better than they they've done in most of his games so far, and that, in part, comes down to him.

He should've been sacked after the Czech match, and he should've been sacked after the Liechtenstein match.
Should he be sacked after the Brasil match?
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The Eggman
Mar 28 2011, 01:39 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:33 PM
Really, what was the point of this post, Eggman?
To say that while you may want to defend Levein to your last breath, he's got many flaws. You say that his sides try to retain possession, and I say they went about it in a daft way. Levein's out of his depth. The Scotland players aren't much good, admittedly, but they can hold the ball and pass it better than they they've done in most of his games so far, and that, in part, comes down to him.

He should've been sacked after the Czech match, and he should've been sacked after the Liechtenstein match.
Well, say that then and stop beating around the bush.

I couldn't personally give two fucks about Levein and was merely pointing out the glaringly obvious cause of the observed phenomena.

Levein made great play when he was at United about the importance of keeping the ball under pressure. Seems a perfectly reasonable philosophy to me, although other footballing philosophies are available. I'm sure it's equally arguable that the players took the instruction too literally and might have been better thumping the ball long/out of play when forward passes weren't available. Again, I'd disagree but it's a legitimate point of view (I suppose). What's not legitimate is to pretend that it's somehow inexplicable. That's a lazy criticism which deserves to be challenged.

Having watched the whole game, I thought Scotland actually did a reasonable job of keeping possession under pressure but fell down somewhat when it came to turning possession into pressure.

The "should've been sacked" stuff is neither here nor there without any further analysis but I'll give you my tuppence worth because I'm feeling generous. You'll never get anywhere if you sack the manager every time he makes a mistake. United had a few pumpings under Levein in his early days. Likewise, Houston. Only the most unimaginative bawbag would suggest that United would be better off if either had been sacked after getting beat 5-1 by Falkirk or 7-0 at Ibrox*. I could go on, but that's the gist of it.



* Or 7-1 or whatever it was.
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 28 2011, 01:46 PM
The Eggman
Mar 28 2011, 01:39 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:33 PM
Really, what was the point of this post, Eggman?
To say that while you may want to defend Levein to your last breath, he's got many flaws. You say that his sides try to retain possession, and I say they went about it in a daft way. Levein's out of his depth. The Scotland players aren't much good, admittedly, but they can hold the ball and pass it better than they they've done in most of his games so far, and that, in part, comes down to him.

He should've been sacked after the Czech match, and he should've been sacked after the Liechtenstein match.
Should he be sacked after the Brasil match?
I only saw half an hour, but from what I did see, there looked to be no progress whatsoever. It was like a training match for Brazil, with Scotland treating it seriously like they were defending a couple of goal lead. But because it was *only* 2-0 to Brazil, then the excuses are out. How great Brazil are, etc etc. We're lucky it was only a friendly.

What positives were there to be taken out of that match?

I saw the 90 minutes against Liechtenstein, Czechs and Spain. Apart from about 10 minutes against Spain, the rest was totally abject. I don't think Levein is getting the best out of the players. Because of that he should go.
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Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 02:03 PM
Well, say that then and stop beating around the bush.

I couldn't personally give two f*cks about Levein and was merely pointing out the glaringly obvious cause of the observed phenomena.

Levein made great play when he was at United about the importance of keeping the ball under pressure. Seems a perfectly reasonable philosophy to me, although other footballing philosophies are available. I'm sure it's equally arguable that the players took the instruction too literally and might have been better thumping the ball long/out of play when forward passes weren't available. Again, I'd disagree but it's a legitimate point of view (I suppose). What's not legitimate is to pretend that it's somehow inexplicable. That's a lazy criticism which deserves to be challenged.

Having watched the whole game, I thought Scotland actually did a reasonable job of keeping possession under pressure but fell down somewhat when it came to turning possession into pressure.

The "should've been sacked" stuff is neither here nor there without any further analysis but I'll give you my tuppence worth because I'm feeling generous. You'll never get anywhere if you sack the manager every time he makes a mistake. United had a few pumpings under Levein in his early days. Likewise, Houston. Only the most unimaginative bawbag would suggest that United would be better off if either had been sacked after getting beat 5-1 by Falkirk or 7-0 at Ibrox*. I could go on, but that's the gist of it.



* Or 7-1 or whatever it was.
I didn't beat around the bush. It was quite clear that I was criticising the method of retaining possession, which reflects on Levein.

My opinion on Levein not being up to the job doesn't come from some mistakes he's made. I thought it before he got the job, and every Scotland performance since has confirmed that. It's the overall level of Levein's performance, not a few balls-ups here and there. While he was at United, there were many good points to allow for those awful performances. At Scotland, it's just been mostly awful performances, the Brazil match (30 minutes of what I saw, so can't comment on the rest) included.

I don't expect Scotland to be very good. But I do expect performances better than they've put in since Levein's been the manager.
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The Eggman
Mar 28 2011, 02:17 PM
I didn't beat around the bush. It was quite clear that I was criticising the method of retaining possession, which reflects on Levein.

My opinion on Levein not being up to the job doesn't come from some mistakes he's made. I thought it before he got the job, and every Scotland performance since has confirmed that. It's the overall level of Levein's performance, not a few balls-ups here and there. While he was at United, there were many good points to allow for those awful performances. At Scotland, it's just been mostly awful performances, the Brazil match (30 minutes of what I saw, so can't comment on the rest) included.

I don't expect Scotland to be very good. But I do expect performances better than they've put in since Levein's been the manager.
Right, I got from that that you haven't actually watched the games and that your opinion isn't based on his mistakes but on your preconceptions. The successes, tangible and otherwise, are ignored while the failures are seized upon to support your prejudices.

Fair enough.
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Mar 28 2011, 01:35 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 01:07 PM
They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
Are you suggesting that every Scotland fan is a racist or just the ones at the game yesterday? :piper:
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm saying it only takes one nutter, who knows what nationality he was, might even have been English and the media are playing the racist Scots card. Anything to give Jock a bad name eh!.
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yasser
Mar 28 2011, 03:23 PM
Ivan
Mar 28 2011, 01:35 PM
yasser
Mar 28 2011, 01:07 PM
They say it only takes one bad apple...or in this case banana
Are you suggesting that every Scotland fan is a racist or just the ones at the game yesterday? :piper:
I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm saying it only takes one nutter, who knows what nationality he was, might even have been English and the media are playing the racist Scots card. Anything to give Jock a bad name eh!.
Yeah, but the bad apple analogy. I'm trying to ascertain the size and scope of the barrel. I wasn't at the game and, indeed, never go to Scotland games BUT I AM SCOTTISH and I DO MARGINALLY CARE about the outcome of Scotland games. Am I in the barrel? Are you?
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