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Never given; Finally given
Topic Started: Mar 20 2011, 10:09 AM (1,370 Views)
findus
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I started a thread shortly before the exodus from the archive asking why late tackles on a player who has just taken a shot never result in a penalty award. Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, possibly a booking.

First one I've ever seen given - yesterday's Blackburn v Blackpool match, Taylor-Fletcher shoots, is downed by Nelson, ref gives a penalty. (31 mins into this link, if it's accessible: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjUyMjExNTcy.html)

Justice is done. More please.

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Ivan
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F*cking plebs.
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Didn't look like much of a foul to me and it had no impact on the game. Poor decision by an overly fussy ref.
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Ivan
Mar 20 2011, 10:50 AM
Didn't look like much of a foul to me and it had no impact on the game. Poor decision by an overly fussy ref.
Well, there certainly wasn't much contact, but spectacularly correct on principle.
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I confess fully before I start to not knowing the letter of the law.

Player shoots and manages to hit row z, then gets fouled, should that be a penalty .. no, but that no is conditional can the ref still give a foul without awarding a penalty ?
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Alpha
Mar 20 2011, 01:19 PM
I confess fully before I start to not knowing the letter of the law.

Player shoots and manages to hit row z, then gets fouled, should that be a penalty .. no
And why not? Had the player done anything except shoot (e.g. pass, dink it past the player), a penalty is given. Why on earth should shooting be exempt?
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findus
Mar 20 2011, 01:29 PM
Alpha
Mar 20 2011, 01:19 PM
I confess fully before I start to not knowing the letter of the law.

Player shoots and manages to hit row z, then gets fouled, should that be a penalty .. no
And why not? Had the player done anything except shoot (e.g. pass, dink it past the player), a penalty is given. Why on earth should shooting be exempt?
Ball would likely be out of play for one?
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Setenza
Mar 20 2011, 01:37 PM
findus
Mar 20 2011, 01:29 PM
Alpha
Mar 20 2011, 01:19 PM
I confess fully before I start to not knowing the letter of the law.

Player shoots and manages to hit row z, then gets fouled, should that be a penalty .. no
And why not? Had the player done anything except shoot (e.g. pass, dink it past the player), a penalty is given. Why on earth should shooting be exempt?
Ball would likely be out of play for one?
What I'm talking about usually occurs not long after the ball has left the player's boot, so the ball is 99/100 still in play.
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findus
Mar 20 2011, 02:04 PM
Setenza
Mar 20 2011, 01:37 PM
findus
Mar 20 2011, 01:29 PM
Alpha
Mar 20 2011, 01:19 PM
I confess fully before I start to not knowing the letter of the law.

Player shoots and manages to hit row z, then gets fouled, should that be a penalty .. no
And why not? Had the player done anything except shoot (e.g. pass, dink it past the player), a penalty is given. Why on earth should shooting be exempt?
Ball would likely be out of play for one?
What I'm talking about usually occurs not long after the ball has left the player's boot, so the ball is 99/100 still in play.
I am not disagreeing with you per say, I am saying yes can you give a foul and not give a penalty, if you have already played the ball you are no longer in control, if the team mate you passed to gets felled while in control that is a penalty.
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Conan the Destroyer
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Alpha
Mar 20 2011, 03:51 PM
findus
Mar 20 2011, 02:04 PM
Setenza
Mar 20 2011, 01:37 PM
findus
Mar 20 2011, 01:29 PM
Alpha
Mar 20 2011, 01:19 PM
I confess fully before I start to not knowing the letter of the law.

Player shoots and manages to hit row z, then gets fouled, should that be a penalty .. no
And why not? Had the player done anything except shoot (e.g. pass, dink it past the player), a penalty is given. Why on earth should shooting be exempt?
Ball would likely be out of play for one?
What I'm talking about usually occurs not long after the ball has left the player's boot, so the ball is 99/100 still in play.
I am not disagreeing with you per say, I am saying yes can you give a foul and not give a penalty, if you have already played the ball you are no longer in control, if the team mate you passed to gets felled while in control that is a penalty.
The ball doesn't play any part of whether a penalty is awarded or not, it is the location of the offence.
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Here we go, Real Madrid v Spurs from last night. 24 seconds into the video, Di Maria takes a shot and is pole-axed shortly after. No penalty given.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjU2NTY2OTc2.html

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Conan the Destroyer
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My bugbear on penalties raised its head again at the weekend. Man Utd's penalty v West Ham, never ever in a million years deliberate handball.
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F*cking plebs.
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Conan the Destroyer
Apr 6 2011, 08:25 AM
My bugbear on penalties raised its head again at the weekend. Man Utd's penalty v West Ham, never ever in a million years deliberate handball.
And no goal scoring opportunity when Vidic pulled down the centre forward apparently.

Dodgy f*ckers.
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Ivan
Apr 6 2011, 09:11 AM
Conan the Destroyer
Apr 6 2011, 08:25 AM
My bugbear on penalties raised its head again at the weekend. Man Utd's penalty v West Ham, never ever in a million years deliberate handball.
And no goal scoring opportunity when Vidic pulled down the centre forward apparently.

Dodgy f*ckers.
And then no second yellow card for the professional foul on Ba at the half-way line.
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Conan the Destroyer
Apr 6 2011, 08:25 AM
My bugbear on penalties raised its head again at the weekend. Man Utd's penalty v West Ham, never ever in a million years deliberate handball.
The ref made some kind of arm-sweeping movement for that one as if he thought Upson (?) had swung his arm out to make contact. What the fcuk are they putting in referees' pre-match cuppa?

The best thing that could be done for the rule is to rename it as it is currently misleading leading to recurrent misuse. Change it to something like 'Deliberate arming'.
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findus
Apr 6 2011, 09:25 AM
Conan the Destroyer
Apr 6 2011, 08:25 AM
My bugbear on penalties raised its head again at the weekend. Man Utd's penalty v West Ham, never ever in a million years deliberate handball.
The ref made some kind of arm-sweeping movement for that one as if he thought Upson (?) had swung his arm out to make contact. What the fcuk are they putting in referees' pre-match cuppa?

The best thing that could be done for the rule is to rename it as it is currently misleading leading to recurrent misuse. Change it to something like 'Deliberate arming'.
Given that the world at large seems incapable of establishing whether a handball is intentional (and I would venture that 90% of the time it isn't - who deliberately handles the ball in their own penalty area? You'd need to be mental) the rule should be amended to strict liability. If it hits your hand or arm it's a foul, mens rea or no.

Yes, it would be completely unfair, but at least it would be consistently unfair unlike the current situation which seems to just give an embattled referee an easy way of helping out Man Utd/Rangers/Spain when they're under the cosh. It would also spare my blood pressure when I have to listen to some semi-literate sexual inadequate craven toady of an ex-footballer opine about hands in an unnatural position.

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