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Topic Started: Mar 18 2011, 11:39 AM (2,317 Views)
Naebody
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You're right, WhatsThat. I hadn't considered the possibility that our new friend Chris was referring to trees. Apologies to all affected.
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Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 02:34 PM
You're right, WhatsThat. I hadn't considered the possibility that our new friend Chris was referring to trees. Apologies to all affected.
Mods - I think Skeletor has gained access to Naebody's account.
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 02:37 PM
Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 02:34 PM
You're right, WhatsThat. I hadn't considered the possibility that our new friend Chris was referring to trees. Apologies to all affected.
Mods - I think Skeletor has gained access to Naebody's account.
And I think Chris is probably still running now...
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 02:30 PM
Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 02:21 PM


Ramification:
1. A development or consequence growing out of and sometimes complicating a problem, plan, or statement: the ramifications of a court decision.
That one.
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storms and teacups spring to mind
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Ivan
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F*cking plebs.
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yasser
Mar 18 2011, 03:36 PM
storms and teacups spring to mind
Go on.
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Mar 18 2011, 03:34 PM
whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 02:30 PM
Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 02:21 PM


Ramification:
1. A development or consequence growing out of and sometimes complicating a problem, plan, or statement: the ramifications of a court decision.
That one.


Ta for clarifying. But what about the stuff relating to whether co-operatives can act in secret? That's the more interesting bit.
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So we have a statement from Tannadice.

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Following recent developments which (sic) resulted in the suspension of ArabTRUST's Associate Director's position (sic), the Club confirm that they (sic) welcome future dialogue with ArabTRUST with the aim of re-establishing this role. The relationship between the Club and ArabTRUST remains strong.


Your move, Trustees.
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 02:37 PM
Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 02:34 PM
You're right, WhatsThat. I hadn't considered the possibility that our new friend Chris was referring to trees. Apologies to all affected.
Mods - I think Skeletor has gained access to Naebody's account.
+1 for both posts!
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Ivan
Mar 18 2011, 04:01 PM
yasser
Mar 18 2011, 03:36 PM
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Go on.
... go on, go on, go on?
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I, for one, welcome our new Arabtrust overlords.
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Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 04:15 PM
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Mar 18 2011, 03:34 PM
whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 02:30 PM
Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 02:21 PM


Ramification:
1. A development or consequence growing out of and sometimes complicating a problem, plan, or statement: the ramifications of a court decision.
That one.


Ta for clarifying. But what about the stuff relating to whether co-operatives can act in secret? That's the more interesting bit.
Was last night's board meeting a public event? If you need to be a member to attend, that doesn't sound like a public meeting to me.
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 05:40 PM
Was last night's board meeting a public event? If you need to be a member to attend, that doesn't sound like a public meeting to me.
Sorry. My use of "public" was a lazy shorthand. I should've been clearer.

1) The society exists to "to represent the interests of the community in the running of the club."
2) Every Arabtrust member holds an equal share in the society.

As it stands, something went down at the shareholder meeting that would seem to undermine the society's principal objective. I'm not awfully comfortable with the idea that the society can consider what happened at this open meeting to be secret, even to its own shareholders (who are, according to the co-operative model, all on par). It's quite simply bad governance.
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Naebody
Mar 18 2011, 06:17 PM
whatsthatonyourback
Mar 18 2011, 05:40 PM
Was last night's board meeting a public event? If you need to be a member to attend, that doesn't sound like a public meeting to me.
Sorry. My use of "public" was a lazy shorthand. I should've been clearer.

1) The society exists to "to represent the interests of the community in the running of the club."
2) Every Arabtrust member holds an equal share in the society.

As it stands, something went down at the shareholder meeting that would seem to undermine the society's principal objective. I'm not awfully comfortable with the idea that the society can consider what happened at this open meeting to be secret, even to its own shareholders (who are, according to the co-operative model, all on par). It's quite simply bad governance.
The rules that govern ArabTRUST are on arabtrust.co.uk

I'm not necessarily saying that anybody on here has done this, but some folk can't be bothered looking over these rules so just assume something, back it up with a little grain of fact to give their post credibility, fill in the blanks with conjecture, somebody then agrees with it or expands on that person's post and before you know it, ArabTRUST are being made to look like a bunch of jokers, then somebody uses that as an excuse to take a cheap potshot (is there any other kind?) and I then have to come in, start having to deal with aggressive, deliberately difficult questions and somehow have to find a way to come out of it not looking like an idiot or having said anything that may embarrass ArabTRUST.

If I have even an apostrophe out of place, somebody has a go.

Any paid-up member can attend an ArabTRUST meeting and any paid-up member can attend our AGM. Those are the rules that we have got to adhere to.

If there is anything else anybody on here would like to know, I'll try to answer it. I won't answer questions about the Associate Director position but I will give you two wee 'exclusives':-

- John Bennett has got nothing to do with the current ArabTRUST Associate Director situation in any way, shape or form.

- United for Change 2 is a complete and utter fallacy.

Any questions not to do with the AD situation, fire away.
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Mar 18 2011, 06:58 PM
Any questions not to do with the AD situation, fire away.
Haven't read the other boards, and sorry if my questioning seems aggressive.

Here's my issue:

The rules of association state quite clearly that all shareholders in Arabtrust are equal. However, there's currently an information asymmetry between the shareholders.

The information being withheld from some members would appear to be of a fundamental nature to the association's objectives. These are the objectives all shareholders effectively bought into when joining. It's their equity, of which you're a custodian.

My question, therefore, is quite simple.

Why is Arabtrust having to keep secrets from its own members, when doing so would seem to go against both the code and the ethos of the organisation?
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