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Thompson confirms exits; Most of the midfield to leave
Topic Started: Mar 9 2011, 10:51 PM (4,508 Views)
Skeletor
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The Eggman
Mar 12 2011, 09:58 AM
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Mar 11 2011, 05:33 PM
Would you rather a chief-exec is judged by the fans for his love for the club or for his performance as chief-exec? If ET hadn't been pumping his own money in, we'd have been screaming for his head.

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Yes, many people have f*cked up clubs they love. Just because that happens, that doesn't mean it shouldn't matter about what the owner feels towards the club. Would you not rather have an owner who loves the club, and wants to make it as successful as possible?
I can take or leave someone's affiliations to the club. What 's most important is how well they run it. Nailing your allegiance to the mast often seems like a way of hiding poor management of the club. I'd much rather judge someone's performance on their actions and achievements rather than their promises and dreams.
Obviously I'd rather a chief exec judged by fans for his performance.

When ET made mistakes, he put in more of his cash to rectify those mistakes.

When ST has made mistakes, he's made it clear he's not willing to put in his dad's money.

So, I'd rather ET running the club badly instead of ST running the club badly, because that's what it seems to have come down to. And when ET ran the club badly, we resulted - finally, yes - in Craig Levein in charge and a very good squad. I doubt we'll see something like that happen after ST's running of the club.

And you can say it doesn't matter to you, but it does matter - at least to many of the fans - when a chairman goes on tv repeatedly to reiterate how much the club is a millstone round his neck.
So...... your solution? Punt Stephen Thompson out and have who replace him? This is a really pointless argument.
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Oh or f*ck sake. I'm truly sorry I ever had the nerve to criticise our glorious owner. Happy now, you oversensitive c*nts?
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Mar 12 2011, 05:05 PM
Oh or f*ck sake. I'm truly sorry I ever had the nerve to criticise our glorious owner. Happy now, you oversensitive c*nts?
Oh no, do continue, if it makes you feel better to allow your imagination to run wild. Try imagining if we had Messi, Tevez and Ivanovic too, we would be great wouldn't we!!
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Skeletor
Mar 12 2011, 08:59 PM
The Eggman
Mar 12 2011, 05:05 PM
Oh or f*ck sake. I'm truly sorry I ever had the nerve to criticise our glorious owner. Happy now, you oversensitive c*nts?
Oh no, do continue, if it makes you feel better to allow your imagination to run wild. Try imagining if we had Messi, Tevez and Ivanovic too, we would be great wouldn't we!!
What utter nonsense. Can you point out any single post in this thread in which anyone has suggested that United should be throwing money at the situation? The level of misrepresentation of perfectly legitimate criticism is frankly awful.

As I understand it, the criticism which has been made is that Thompson seems to be a rather unwilling leader. Perhaps less concerned with the future performance of the team than with his own financial interests. You might disagree but it's a legitimate point of view.

I understand that some of you lot think it's easy to criticise the general tenor of the regime without providing hard and fast alternatives. If that's your view then state it, but please try to refrain from these ridiculous strawman arguments.
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Ivan
Mar 12 2011, 11:11 PM
Skeletor
Mar 12 2011, 08:59 PM
The Eggman
Mar 12 2011, 05:05 PM
Oh or f*ck sake. I'm truly sorry I ever had the nerve to criticise our glorious owner. Happy now, you oversensitive c*nts?
Oh no, do continue, if it makes you feel better to allow your imagination to run wild. Try imagining if we had Messi, Tevez and Ivanovic too, we would be great wouldn't we!!
What utter nonsense. Can you point out any single post in this thread in which anyone has suggested that United should be throwing money at the situation? The level of misrepresentation of perfectly legitimate criticism is frankly awful.

As I understand it, the criticism which has been made is that Thompson seems to be a rather unwilling leader. Perhaps less concerned with the future performance of the team than with his own financial interests. You might disagree but it's a legitimate point of view.

I understand that some of you lot think it's easy to criticise the general tenor of the regime without providing hard and fast alternatives. If that's your view then state it, but please try to refrain from these ridiculous strawman arguments.
And as it has been pointed out, it is in his interests to field a performing team, as this increases his chances of a larger turnover :hit:

I'm saying it's pointless that this thread has turned into agonising between Eddie Thompson (R.I.P.) and Stephen Thompson. As the R.I.P. denotes, one of these two men cannot be the chairman of Dundee United Football Club. Get on with it, as despite all of Naebody's ideas and gathering subscribers, neither he nor anybody else has cash to burn in taking United over. Until then we will just have to do with Stephen Thompson, and hope that he learns from extremely poor business the past two transfer windows.
Edited by Skeletor, Mar 13 2011, 02:44 AM.
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Once again, Skeletor, I'm finding a need to paraphrase your argument just to understand it.

We shouldn't be talking about why we, the majority, feel so negative about the club right now because none of us has the cash to buy it outright. We should not voice our concerns about how the club's being run because there are no obvious alternative owners on the horizon.

The first element is bullshit, obviously, so let's not grace it with furher effort. On the second element, there is one alternative owner jumping to mind. It's PWC.

It seems to me that recent actions taken by United are all basically a desperate paddle against the tide dragging us towards administration. Thing is, if a business is simply nonfunctional then the administration process is often the best way to rescue it. The shareholders would lose their investment, obviously, but the club would survive. It's not the end of the world, except to an investor.

The plan I set out on the previous page runs a slightly higher risk of pushing the club into administration in the short term, coupled with a much lower risk of doing so in the long term. The current "slash and burn" costs policy, meanwhile, runs a lower risk of administration in the short term coupled with a much higher risk in the long term. That's my main concern. I feel the actions being taken are aimed solely at short-term survival at the cost of long-term stability. And that, quite simply, is why people who own football clubs shouldn't run football clubs.
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Mar 13 2011, 05:40 AM
The first element is bullshit, obviously, so let's not grace it with furher effort. On the second element, there is one alternative owner jumping to mind. It's PWC.
Thats close enough to Fuhrer, can we end the thread?

Pricewaterhouse Cooper? What would they want with buying United?
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One of the cOnsidetations must be other teams too. Lot if them are undergoing downscaling too. As long as we scale down at same rate, we won't drastically fall inthe league. Kilmarnock, Motherwell etc don't seem to spend much, and thier better players move on a lot. The Motherwell team that McGhee had to start with was a strong team, porter who we turned away etc , and Hughes , clarksin, but no more.

We aren't alone in cutting back, other teams chairman will be fling the same I'd imagine .
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