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Old Firm Violence
Topic Started: Mar 3 2011, 11:20 AM (1,822 Views)
Cobardon
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I was intrigued by this comment from our Justice Minister blaming alcohol for violence throughout Scotland following last night's 'disgraceful' behaviour in Glasgow.

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"Win, lose or draw, drunken aggressive behaviour has no place in Scotland - it will not be tolerated, and those who step out of line will be met with the full force of the law."
seems to indicate that he believes alcohol is entirely to blame. Yet to my knowledge none of the onfield violence or repeated aggressive behaviour involved pissed people. Is he straw manning here because he refuses to point the finger at the real culprits? (Or has he been misquoted?)

Interesting that the police reckon it may have to be played behind closed doors. Again, unless we're banning cameras as well I can't see that helping much.

Still, from a neutral's point of view the onfield chaos was great, wasn't it? Diouf is every bit the plum we all thought he would be too.
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The Eggman
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Cobardon
Mar 3 2011, 11:20 AM
Yet to my knowledge none of the onfield violence or repeated aggressive behaviour involved pissed people. Is he straw manning here because he refuses to point the finger at the real culprits? (Or has he been misquoted?)
Unless he's been misquoted, he's saying that Whittaker, Bougherra, Diouf, McCoist and Lennon were all pished. Maybe he takes that reasoning due to the lack of quality displayed by all five.

But seriously, yes, he's shifting attention. Surely not many people are thick enough to be diverted.

I wonder what McCoist said for Lennon to respond like he did at full time.

Anyway, it didn't seem that bad. It was a tame stramash - if there can be such a thing - between staff of clubs that hate each other.

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'Sectarianism further fueled by alcohol' is how I view it.

There must be some wee unused, windy island off the coast with space enough for two stadiums and a holding pen for a million or so people that we could banish the whole pantomime to? Ireland, for example.
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Uncle Joe
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A top level enquiry to be held with Strathclyde PCC and government figures. Ye...... heard it all before. As usual the bigotry on both sides goes unchecked and is quitely encouraged by both clubs as it fills their coffers. Fans of every other club know when the old firm come to town its open season for sectarian chanting and nothing is done. Dare to stand up in the East stand however and its the gulag for you.

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Uncle Joe
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Good to see that one of Scottish footballs most experienced figures is taking a stand against the shameful scenes of last night.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/old-firm-chaos-good-for-scottish-football-claims-jim-jefferies-2231110.html

Then again he always has been full of it.

Forget about the violence and bigotry played out across Scotland last night, fuelled by this fixture, its all about bums on seats.
Nice one jj...
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Uncle Joe
Mar 3 2011, 03:21 PM
Good to see that one of Scottish footballs most experienced figures is taking a stand against the shameful scenes of last night.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/scottish/old-firm-chaos-good-for-scottish-football-claims-jim-jefferies-2231110.html

Then again he always has been full of it.

Forget about the violence and bigotry played out across Scotland last night, fuelled by this fixture, its all about bums on seats.
Nice one jj...
To be fair, it probably wasn't anyone in Beaker's family who got battered and stabbed last night in the name of Billy or the Pope, so why should he care, ay?
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Uncle Joe
Mar 3 2011, 03:21 PM
That's an exceptionally good point from the miserable ruddy f*ck. He's gone up considerably in my estimation.

Think of it this way: why would a sane neutral watch an Old Firm game? You'd only watch for the same reason Alabama hicks watch Nascar. They watch in the hope that there's a crash.

It's so obvious in retrospect. Scottish football's attraction to a global audience boils down to a single USP: one team really, really wants to kill another team. So tune in! You'll probably see a fight! Nearly every other fixture on the box will offer you a better grade of football, but none has the Old Firm's quasi-religious hybrid of ice hockey and mud wrestling.

Walter Smith clearly understands this. After all, he signed Diouf -- a stereotypically bad guy who's straight out of the American Wrestling casting school. And what other explanation is there for Neil Lennon's paranoid, petulant rants? He may as well have Don King sitting at the next chair egging him on. It's all just a pantomime to monetise eyeballs, the equivalent of greasing the road to sell advertising at a motorway blackspot.

SPL, WWE ... what's the difference?

Ok -- so all the hype means some Glaswegians who colour-code their belief system tend come over all stabby. But, well ... some people kill themselves trying to replicate the Hunk Hogan body slam. I'm playing the natural selection card here.
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Clarkie
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Neil lennon is such a twat he is the one that has caused all the trouble first the referee strike then last night Diouf is over getting a drink (maybe mouths off no-one knows) and Lennon comes running out of the dugout and confronts him. Everything that happened from then on was a result of that. Lennon is in position of authority that commands respect but acts like an aggressive drunk all the time.

Solution to the trouble at old firm games this season get rid of Neil lennon (and maybe diouf too the two of them should get a room)

Solution to the sectarianism is a harder one and short of nuking Glasgow I don't know.
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Clarkie
Mar 3 2011, 07:32 PM
Lennon is in position of authority that commands respect but acts like an aggressive drunk all the time.
And yet when he's in the pub he seems a perfect gentleman.
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whatsthatonyourback
Mar 3 2011, 07:38 PM
Clarkie
Mar 3 2011, 07:32 PM
Lennon is in position of authority that commands respect but acts like an aggressive drunk all the time.
And yet when he's in the pub he seems a perfect gentleman.
He used to come in The Chip with random dolly birds. Just friends, I'm sure :$
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Clarkie
Mar 3 2011, 07:32 PM
...then last night Diouf is over getting a drink (maybe mouths off no-one knows) and...
There we go, alcohol fuelled clashes time and time again.

I think the police have it spot on. Play the game behind closed doors and let the 60,000+ fans hit their local pub for the game, that aught to cut the amount of alcohol and violence those idiots get through in the day! That'll teach them..
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Martin Bain has now launched a defence of Rangers. Predictably, it involves insinuation that because referees took criticism from Celtic, they are now biased against Rangers.

I find just about everything he says contemptible.
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Ok - here we go again.

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The dismissal of three Rangers players and the extraordinary number of bookings we believe is a matter for the Scottish Football Association's disciplinary process.


Translation: Rangers were being persecuted.

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There has been extensive criticism of referees and the SFA this season and we are now questioning the impact of that criticism.


Translation: Rangers were being persecuted and it's Celtic's fault.

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"Refereeing Old Firm matches is an extremely difficult task but the number of bookings last night compared with other recent Old Firm fixtures indicates the match was not controlled in the same way.


Translation: Rangers were being persecuted, it's Celtic's fault and Calum Murray's a cheat.

Oooh, that's going to make a lot of potential consumers angry.

In totally unrelated news, there's another Rangers/Celtic bout in just 16 days time. So roll up, folks! Get your tickets for what promises to be the fight of the season! The Rumble in Scumville! Please watch, everyone! We can't pay the taxman unless you watch!

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listening to the Politico's etc last night it seems the whitewash has already began.


It's all everybody else's fault.
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yasser
Mar 9 2011, 01:30 PM
listening to the Politico's etc last night it seems the whitewash has already began.


It's all everybody else's fault.
So whose fault is it? What would you do about it? And what is "it"?
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