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Keys & Gray; off air comments
Topic Started: Jan 24 2011, 12:57 PM (3,783 Views)
Naebody
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whatsthatonyourback
Jan 24 2011, 05:37 PM
Naebody
Jan 24 2011, 05:25 PM
whatsthatonyourback
Jan 24 2011, 01:53 PM
The News of the World is getting a pretty tough time regarding the phone hacking thing, despite most other papers doing it too
Hang on - just noticed that line.

Whit?
Try this blog for starters.

I'm not usually a blog type of dude, but under the circumstances, there are probably a few good reasons why the whole issue isn't garnering widespread media coverage.
Ah. The Motorman report, which focused on hiring private dicks to handle the dirty business of handing bundles of cash to police and call centre workers.

Phone hacking, for no rational reason, just seems a bit more intrusive than bribery. If you're saying "journalists do all sorts of shady shit to get stories," then I can't disagree. If you're saying "journalists routinely hack voicemail" then I can.
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Naebody
Jan 24 2011, 07:20 PM
If you're saying "journalists routinely hack voicemail" then I can.
Seems that there are quite a few other people starting to sue papers (not just NotW) for phone hacking.
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whatsthatonyourback
Jan 24 2011, 01:53 PM
Could this be part of a concerted attack on all branches of News International?

The News of the World is getting a pretty tough time regarding the phone hacking thing, despite most other papers doing it too, and there's the NI/BSkyB buyout issue still unresolved.

If anyone has a grudge against Murdoch's empire, now would seem like a good time to exercise it.
Ah, Vince Cable strikes back!
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Jan 24 2011, 01:41 PM

What I don't get about this story is how the recording went public. Everyone who's worked in broadcast knows that much of the stuff said on talkback would make Jerry Sadowitz wince.

When you've hours to fill, off the top of your head, the last thing you want is a mellifluous thought rattling away in there like a stone in your shoe. So you say it, no matter how beyond-the-pale it is. Talkback carries an implicit licence to vent everything there is to vent, without consequence. Better there than on air. Everyone understands this. Or, at least, I thought everyone did.
I think you've answered your own question there, Naebody.
What you say regarding talkback is true but anything outré is acceptable as long as the purveyors are doing it for effect. And the techies are in on it too.
These two weren't, they were just having good-old mysoginistic banter.
Someone listening in (who knows, maybe a woman..?) evidently knew this and blew the whistle.

Incidentally. Sexist thinking. Mellifluous? Really?
Edited by reekie, Jan 24 2011, 10:55 PM.
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Naebody
Jan 24 2011, 01:41 PM
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Jan 24 2011, 01:19 PM
Remember Keys' "silly ground, stupid game, f*ck off" for the Faroes-Scotland match a few years ago?
a fair and accurate summation, I'd say.

What I don't get about this story is how the recording went public. Everyone who's worked in broadcast knows that much of the stuff said on talkback would make Jerry Sadowitz wince.

When you've hours to fill, off the top of your head, the last thing you want is a mellifluous thought rattling away in there like a stone in your shoe. So you say it, no matter how beyond-the-pale it is. Talkback carries an implicit licence to vent everything there is to vent, without consequence. Better there than on air. Everyone understands this. Or, at least, I thought everyone did.
I don't agree with this at all. First thing you're taught when you go on air is to watch every word you're saying as you never know when you might be live. It's seen as very bad mojo to make any derogatory comments or swear while mic-ed up.

Which isn't to say that professionals don't break all these rules of course - we have ample evidence they do regularly - but it just shows how they're coasting without remotely thinking about the role they fulfil. Very unprofessional, in my opinion, but hardly unexpected for people who do it all the time: those who get blasé about their work tend to relax standards after all. So it's their own fault.
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Naebody
Jan 24 2011, 07:20 PM
whatsthatonyourback
Jan 24 2011, 05:37 PM
Naebody
Jan 24 2011, 05:25 PM
whatsthatonyourback
Jan 24 2011, 01:53 PM
The News of the World is getting a pretty tough time regarding the phone hacking thing, despite most other papers doing it too
Hang on - just noticed that line.

Whit?
Try this blog for starters.

I'm not usually a blog type of dude, but under the circumstances, there are probably a few good reasons why the whole issue isn't garnering widespread media coverage.
Ah. The Motorman report, which focused on hiring private dicks to handle the dirty business of handing bundles of cash to police and call centre workers.

Phone hacking, for no rational reason, just seems a bit more intrusive than bribery. If you're saying "journalists do all sorts of shady shit to get stories," then I can't disagree. If you're saying "journalists routinely hack voicemail" then I can.
Well, what I actually said was "The News of the World is getting a pretty tough time regarding the phone hacking thing, despite most other papers doing it too".

I know you read that, cos you quoted it and even went to the trouble of bolding some words. So, no, I'm not saying journalists "routinely hack voicemail". I'm saying that many of them, from a number of different papers including the NoW, have hacked voicemail.

That's a fail on your Monday Reading Comp test, Naebs.


Oh, a wee bit more - according to the BBC - one of the few news orgs that probably have clean hands - the Mirror are maybe being accused of it now.
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Meanwhile, former MP Paul Marsden says he may take legal action against another newspaper group, Trinity Mirror, over alleged phone-hacking.


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Jan 24 2011, 11:41 PM
I know you read that, cos you quoted it and even went to the trouble of bolding some words. So, no, I'm not saying journalists "routinely hack voicemail". I'm saying that many of them, from a number of different papers including the NoW, have hacked voicemail.
Sorry - I seem to be leading an argument I didn't intend to start.

Yeah, it seems likely that journalists from all over the newsstand used the voicemail trick as a means of getting information. It's been confirmed that journalists at the NOTW did, which means The Sun, The Mirror and The Mail probably did as well. Moreover, the nature of editor-hack disclosure at these papers means it probably had to be sanctioned at a reasonably high level. However, that's conjecture.

The broadsheets don't work in the same way. There's a higher level of trust given to reporters to get stories right (because the stories, generally, are less personal). If individual reporters at The Times or The Independent hacked voicemail it wouldn't have to be disclosed to even their direct bosses, never mind the editor. The "rogue reporter" defence would hold up a lot easier, and that's an important distinction. I guess what got under my skin is the implication that all journalists are corrupt. They're not. Some are just good at their jobs, and valuable to society because of it.

Reekie: Apologies. I've no idea the word I was aiming for before my iPhone intervened and changed it to mellifluous, but it obviously wasn't that one. Mal-something, I imagine.

And yes, the conversation was witless and moronic. Moreover, it was probably a fair reflection of what the pair think in their idle moments. So? Many people think witless and moronic thoughts in their idle moments, particularly if they're witless and moronic people. Are we really surprised that men paid to provide the football equivalent of mood music fall into this category. I remain unscandalised.
Edited by Naebody, Jan 25 2011, 12:59 AM.
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Naebody
Jan 25 2011, 12:52 AM
I've no idea the word I was aiming for before my iPhone intervened and changed it to mellifluous, but it obviously wasn't that one. Mal-something, I imagine.
Great, a guess-the-word game! How about...maladroit?
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Naebody
Jan 25 2011, 12:52 AM
I've no idea the word I was aiming for before my iPhone intervened and changed it to mellifluous, but it obviously wasn't that one. Mal-something, I imagine.
Good excuse for this.
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Gray sacked

Not the result I was expecting, I must say.

Edit - apparently there is "more evidence of offensive behaviour", which I am sure will come out in due course.
Edited by Art Vandelay, Jan 25 2011, 04:39 PM.
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Jan 25 2011, 04:35 PM
Edit - apparently there is "more evidence of offensive behaviour", which I am sure will come out in due course.
By "offensive" they mean "he's suing the News of the World". Quid pro quo.

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Jan 25 2011, 04:35 PM
Gray sacked

Not the result I was expecting, I must say.

Edit - apparently there is "more evidence of offensive behaviour", which I am sure will come out in due course.
Maybe this?


Am surprised he's gone though.
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I'm rather surprised he's been sacked for this. And that. And the other.

On the bright side, he should now have more time to concentrate on his law suit against a company owned by BSkyB's largest shareholder and putative owner.
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The new youtube footage is sexist?

Best get on the blower to thousands of people across the country then. Sexism is totally rife.
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It's not sexism, its sexual harassment. That woman is going to go home and have to rehabilitate her innermost being, or phone a purposefully set-up hotline, or worse she will hang herself.
Don't you know she has feelings, feelings that can't just be forgotten? For crying out loud, she actually FELT, you can't just ignore that, she will never be the same again, can't you see? Can't you see?
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